Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nils Jensen


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The result was   delete. Deleting the article with no prejudice towards an early recreation with additional sources  Wifione  Message 14:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Nils Jensen

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WP:BLP of a smalltown mayor. The place has a population of just 18K, which is not large enough to confer an automatic presumption of notability on a mayor under WP:NPOL, and with just two citations the volume of sourcing is nowhere near enough to claim a WP:GNG pass either. The only other claim of notability here is his unsuccessful candidacy for the leadership of a political party, but Wikipedia no longer accepts that as a notability claim in its own right — under the standards that apply in 2014, if a person isn't already notable enough to have a Wikipedia article for other things, then an unsuccessful candidacy for the party leadership doesn't get them an article either. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 00:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ⨹   02:47, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Only accomplishment appears to be having been a small town mayor in Canada. Fails to meet the GNG and WP:NPOL. 131.118.229.17 (talk) 21:34, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What a strange IP. It seems to log on just to vote in scores of AFDs. I have no idea what to make of it. 4th time I've seen it tonight in an AFD on a Mayor.ShulMaven (talk) 01:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Actually, as far as I can tell he meets the GNG per the Times Colonist (Oak Bay: Nils Jensen convincingly re-elected as mayor), Focus Magazine (seems like an RS, but I'm not sure; Mayor Jensen's flip-flop, and the BC Local News piece cited in the article. Am I missing something?  --Cerebellum (talk) 05:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)  Delete, see below. --Cerebellum (talk) 11:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * All mayors of all places always get coverage in the local media, so the fact that two or three media citations can be located is not enough in and of itself to get a mayor over the inclusion bar — that's just WP:ROUTINE, not substantive, coverage. Mayors are not even really granted potential notability on Wikipedia until the place they're mayor of has a population of at least 50,000 people (or just slightly short of three times the size of Oak Bay) — and even at 50K they're still not necessarily safe, because if the article isn't particularly well-sourced the consensus can still land on a delete. So it takes about three times as many people as this place has before you can even begin to claim that Jensen maybe passes NPOL, and four or five times as many people before the case becomes airtight enough to withstand this little sourcing — and it takes at least five or six times as many distinct sources as this article has before you can even begin to claim that he maybe passes GNG instead of NPOL. That's what you're missing. Bearcat (talk) 10:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That makes sense, and seems to be consensus per Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)/Archive 2013. Striking my !vote. --Cerebellum (talk) 11:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 10:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC) Delete as per Nom Bearcat. Willing to reconsider if someone can show notability as an attorney, he seems to be well-established with a large law firm, and to have something of a profile within the legal profession in his region. ShulMaven (talk) 14:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - - re "notability on Wikipedia until the place they're mayor of has a population of at least 50,000 people" - Can you point to the policy page that calls this out? NickCT (talk) 16:50, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, I assumed that this was a policy. If it is not, I will reconsider.  Running a county seat with 20- 40,000 or so thousand inhabitants is  a significant job.ShulMaven (talk)
 * Bearcat, should cease making up his own numerical rules and standards, as discussed here: . and here, where he asserts that ">3" or ">5" published articles are some sort of official standard for inclusion of an article on Wikipedia.ShulMaven (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The "rule" in question is an established precedent, duly created by a broad consensus of users on a myriad of past AFD discussions on comparable topics. I am making up exactly nothing of my own, and I will not tolerate being accused of anything of the sort. Bearcat (talk) 22:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete - Coverage even among local sources seems pretty limited. NickCT (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * keep Being elected Mayor is notable. Jensen is clearly a locally notable member of the bar. And many more news articles and other sources on Jensen exist than are represented on this page.ShulMaven (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe the subject passes WP:GNG. The subject does not have WP:ROUTINE coverage. This article in the Times Colonist is about the subject's role he plays as Mayor of a Fox TV series Gracepoint. He also received some coverage of his work as a solicitor. It may be a week keep, but a keep nontheless. --Enos733 (talk) 23:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's funny.ShulMaven (talk) 14:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Small town mayor. Not notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Doesn't meet WP:ACADEMIC or WP:NPOL, at least not according to the sources. The filming of the TV episode made it sound like a really small town. The city council unaminously approved the closing of 3 blocks of Oak Bay Avenue, they touched up the windows of the local bar and grill... Not a very notable story. – Margin1522 (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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