Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nimrod Kämer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Closing early after the relist. Let's shut down this circus of socks.T. Canens (talk) 21:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Nimrod Kämer

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Following this sockpuppetry case concerning an editor abusing multiple accounts in order to purposely violate WP:BLP policy (and subsequently use this as a vanity article to promote that), unless can be shown otherwise, this self-evident autobiography does not satisfy the inclusion criteria. WilliamH (talk) 01:04, 19 April 2012 Similarly, other edits and articles by these accounts should be checked and possibly put up for AFD per this COIN report. WilliamH (talk) 01:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not satisfy the inclusion criteria. Marokwitz (talk) 11:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Artist Jacque frop (talk) 11:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Doesn't satisfy the inclusion criteria for artists at WP:ARTIST. WilliamH (talk) 13:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Poetry book published, Journalist  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaquin edwards (talk • contribs) 23:36, 20 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:40, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Taking a look at the notability requirements of creative professionals, there's simply no evidence here that Kamer meets any of them:
 * The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. - no evidence of this in the article, which talks about things he's done but not about anyone writing about those things
 * The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique. - again, no evidence of this in the article. Gonzo journalism, shock celeb videos, poetry, and protests related to Israel and Iran have all been done before.
 * The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. - no evidence of this. Again, the article spends a lot of time talking about his coverage of other people, but nothing indicates anyone other than Kamer has written significantly about Kamer.
 * The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. - this criterion is the only possible thing to hang notability on, iff a) the exhibition "Iran" is significant (it currently doesn't have a WP article, and appears of dubious significance, and b) Kamer's work was a "substantial" part of the exhibition. If the latter is the case, Kamer managed to participate in so clandestine a manner that his name only appears once in the Iran-related sources in the article, and then only as a bare name mention of people participating. That's not substantial. There's similarly no evidence his work has received any critical attention at all, or that his works (such as they are) are included in any galleries or museums. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per Fluff. There's also a WP:DENY issue, as per here.  A bit pointy.  No great reason we have to expend resources on his having an article.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:28, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Just to clarify, the opinion that I came to the conclusion that the article was an autobiography simply by glancing at it is entirely incorrect. The material which User:Gobonobo filed at the sockpuppet investigation page shows that in light of the video, and  were operated by Kämer. Secondly, 's behaviour shows similarities with all of the other accounts, e.g. the obvious overlap of all of the articles they edit, and the fact that Gal deren d's first edit is identical to Asaf Manyy's first edit. I therefore blocked Asaf Manyy as an obvious sockpuppet account of Kämer, and subsequently noticed that Asaf Manyy created the Nimrod Kämer article. WilliamH (talk) 19:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * From a purely technical standpoint, and  are  related to one another (borderline confirmed).  Tiptoety  talk 20:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And more to the point, they almost certainly belong to Kämer himself. Another admin has blocked them. WilliamH (talk) 20:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete For reasons Fluffernutter has given. On a procedural note, I'm not seeing any reason not to call for an obvious SNOW close sooner rather than later. (Except, perhaps, that we're horrible nasty authoritarians.) —Tom Morris (talk) 01:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Iran exhibition is notable under all accounts also appeared on Israeli TV International Emmy award winning show here  full episode  and here in morning talk show as Captain Sudoku . Alas, he was recently written about in The Kernel  and The Daily Dot . Also has more than 10k twitter followers  and is of interest to numerous tv people.
 * Comnent: Kämer on Politcal Scrapbook UK in House of Lords  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyal Datz (talk • contribs) 08:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * obviously, is another sockpuppet of Kamer, just like  and . דוד (talk) 08:36, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked as obvious sock. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete for non-notability. See also Articles_for_deletion/Nimrod_Kamer, deletion vote on Hebrew Wikipedia, over 6 years ago. The article was also deleted from the German Wikipedia. Kamer has used many sockpuppets in the past. דוד (talk) 08:25, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comnent Iran exhibition, Ninrod, London Review of Books totally verifiable and interesting individual. Eyal Datz (talk) 09:11, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can find 3 trivial mentions in the Jeruselem Post about (I presume) the same person commiting acts of petty vandalism in 2004 and that's really about it. Non-notable per fluff. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 11:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Known throughout Middle East and Israel. Was charged for graffiti against Ariel Sharon Israeli PM in 2005 and was written about in Egyptian pres. Google 'Girls Cairo National Stadium' John Popolopolis (talk) 20:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Any uninvolved admins passing, I have good reason to believe that account is a sock. WilliamH (talk) 20:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Obvious enough - blocked. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 21:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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