Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nina West


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It seems like the sources offered by the keep camp have been mostly uncontested and valid counterarguments were offered on the WP:BLP1E concerns as well. I see the canvassing concerns but even discounting the head-count completely the keep camp appears to have the stronger, better supported arguments. A page move or merge discussion can be initiated if people feel that the topic is better covered under another subject. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:02, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Nina West

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Non-notable outside of being a contestant on a reality show. -- wooden superman  12:33, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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 * Strong keep per GNG (disclaimer: article creator). Also, nominating editor should know the page should be redirected, not deleted, if the subject is not independently notable. But I believe there's sufficient secondary coverage. They were notable even before appearing on RPDR. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Notable for what? Winning a non-notable award?  Hosting a non-notable competition?  -- wooden  superman  14:04, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Subject has been profiled in multiple reliable sources, plain and simple, and will only receive more coverage as the result of their appearance on RPDR. Not to mention, there are other articles to incorporate, such as this Out profile, another Out article, another, etc. Easy keep. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * All of which are on the back of appearances on RPDR. Not notable outside of this context.  Easy delete.  -- wooden  superman  14:45, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Again, subject had a Wikipedia article before appearing on RPDR. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * About one month before. That you created.  Not-notable then or now.  -- wooden  superman  14:53, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Right, ok, agree to disagree. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:53, 2 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin. I'm a little concerned by this edit.  I know it's not exactly WP:CANVASSING, but notifying a small group of fans of the show could certainly lead to WP:VOTESTACKING and skew the discussion.  -- wooden  superman  13:58, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * , I understand your concerns about canvassing, but simply posting links to AfD pages at a relevant WikiProject should not be problematic, especially when WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race members have been perfectly willing to vote merge/redirect in past discussions (see example1 and example2). I think you should actually assume good faith and welcome editors most familiar with the subjects to participate in the ongoing discussions, thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Simply hasn’t risen to Wikipedia’s level of notability... yet. Trillfendi (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The person already had notability even before the show (And no, the other things were not non-notable.) This is not OK, these pages deserve to be kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605 (talk) 18:49, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect noticed this through sexuality related AfD. "He has two dogs, named Edgar and Felicity" Wikipedia is not a social media page to show trivial matters of that nature and not every contestant that appears in a show are inherently notable. The page should be deleted, then redirected into show or the season's page where the person can be a line item in the season. Graywalls (talk) 19:15, 2 May 2019 (UTC) Clarify: not addressed to anyone in particular. Just reading through the article, I'm getting the impression that this subject is known only for their appearance in a season and I'm not finding them to surpass WP:BIO notability and the inclusion of trivial information like her pets in my opinion is an indication of struggling notability and padding it up with anything verifiable via secondary sources. Graywalls (talk) 00:39, 3 May 2019 (UTC) (note to closing admin: my vote casted precedes ANI closure ) Graywalls (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Not to reduce Graywalls' opinion or vote, but I feel obligated to note this editor's recent participation at AfD and elsewhere at Wikipedia has been problematic in some ways, and their comment above says nothing about secondary coverage. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC) I don't know protocol here, or if this even matters, but this editor has been banned from interacting with me. I will let admins determine whether or not this vote is valid. Thanks. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 21:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Definitely keep this article. Aside from being on Drag Race, Nina West heads up a significant charity foundation. She also became widely recognized for inspiring Sia's outfit for her Coachella performance and has been in the touring cast of multiple Broadway musicals, all prior to RuPaul's Drag Race. Not to mention she was in a music video with The Regrettes, a well known punk band who are signed with Warner Brothers and performed at Riot Fest and Summerfest. NotALovelyLady (talk) 13:55, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep There are numerous citations of this drag queen pre-Drag Race, for her shows, for her fashion, for her charity work, etc. I'll update the article to reflect this, as that should help make the case. Bouncehoper (talk) 15:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep there are enough sources to pass GNG, not only for RPDR, but also for gay rights activism. In addition, I'd argue that the National Entertainer of the Year is a notable award and an important one in the drag community. The article for Drag pageantry needs serious work, but there's a lot of sources out there on the various drag pageants. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, person is notable outside of drag race, as stated above. QueerFilmNerd  talk 19:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. The subject has raised over $2 million from their charity, which is thought to be the only "drag-queen-supported fund of its kind"; won an Entertainer of the Year award; won a Create Columbus Commission Visionary Award from the Columbus City Council; won an equality award from the Human Rights Campaign; and was included in Columbus Business Firsts "40 Under 40" list in 2018... all before appearing on RPDR. The recent RPDR coverage has only increased their profile, but that's not all they're known for. --Kbabej (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. This subject, though made viral by a reality show, was a person of prominence in the LGBT+ community for many years, and had one of the most significant and well-funded non-national LGBT+ charities. The widespread influence of this subject cannot be denied. --vvayside (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject of the article certainly rose to prominence due to his participation in RuPaul's Drag Race, but he was a notable before this, which is especially demonstrated in the "Personal life and philanthropy" section of the article. Ditto the comments provided by above. Several reliable sources are referenced. This article should be kept. Yompi20 (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and failure to meet WP:NACTOR, then recreate as redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11) - GretLomborg (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The person passes 2/3 of the points in NACTOR, so she is notable. - 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605
 * Sorry, I have to disagree. Also are you User:Ratherbe2000, 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605? - GretLomborg (talk) 23:16, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - no real notability outside the show. Fails WP:BIO1E and WP:NACTOR. Onel 5969  TT me 22:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect, she passes both of them. - 2600:6c5d:5880:38:493d:61a8:1ff0:e605
 * Keep Not a fan of the show nor anything else. The charity work definitely puts the subject over the edge in regards to beating out WP:BLP1E. Otherwise, I would say Redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11) per WP:WOOD. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 18:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)


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