Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niubee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Mandarin Chinese profanity, per Redirect. Should mention of the topic in the Mandarin Chinese profanity article be omitted at a later date, the appropriateness of the redirect can be revisited. Skomorokh, barbarian  16:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Niubee

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Contested prod. Dictionary definition. No assertion of usage beyond the three references used, two of which are in Italian. Delete.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 14:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

what assertion of usage can be accepted?

this expression is not a word can be found in a dictionary, but we speak it when we met something fantastic. if you know some chinese, you will found that they used to say it many times.

Although in chinese literary works, You can't found a description of usage of this expression. they just use it directly. and those writings are in Chinese so I can't show it here.

the three references, which in English and Italian, use to prove that this expression already been known by the people in the Non-Chinese world. and I think it described the situation when to use it and how to use it, at least in games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliyyn (talk • contribs) 14:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Reply: An entry in the Oxford English Dictionary would be an acceptable assertion of usage. What you are asserting is merely the fact the word has been used in one circumstance, not even close to being enough for a Wiktionary entry, let alone a Wikipedia article. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 14:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: there are many words, including "fantastic" in English, are "merely the fact the word has been used in one circumstance".

there are many expressions that have not been collected by a dictionary, but it is used for long history. How can we record them in our civilization? if wiki is not the way, where the way is?

on the other hand, you can see the entry "paper_tiger" in Wikipedia, what's diffrent between it and "niubee" ? "niubee" even has used more widely.

now I know your opinion, or the rule of Wikipedia. I will check that if I can found more evidence, or You will change your mind.

I has another question which do not correlate current discussion:

if someone invented a algothrim, and he named it "x", the "x" has not used by others before, and some people know this algothrim as "x", but the author did not publish any paper with a publication with some authority, can "x" be acceptable to become a entry to introduce this algothrim? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliyyn (talk • contribs) 16:05, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply: Wikipedia cannot be used to introduce anything. In your example, the mere fact that "x" has not been published in any authoritative paper is reason enough why Wikipedia cannot have an article on "x". --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 16:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article doesn't indicate that there's much more to be said about this word than its definition; it doesn't appear that it is possible to expand this into an encyclopedia article because of the absence of sources discussing the term in detail. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

And what about the entry Paper tiger?
 * Question:

a phrase had been used by a famous person (Mao) is more acceptable than a word is used by people in daily life?

As I know, there are some mistake in the entry Paper tiger. for example:

the entry says the interview with Mao is in 1956, but there is no reference to confirm this.

As you said, it's not acceptable, but the fact is it still there.

the official infomation provided by XINHUA NEWS AGENCY mentioned that the interview is at 5 pm, 8/6/1946. this infomation can be confirmed in Chinese.

since You can not read and understand Chinese, if I am going to modify the Paper tiger entry, How can I ensure my modifaction would be acceptable?

In current entry "niubee", It's the same:

If you are a chinese, you can know what I say, and why I make a modification to a exist entry or create a new entry about something.

But you are not, and you said it's not acceptable. so I don't know what can I do now. --Eliyyn (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC) First, I must say thanks to you all. with your posts I learned much about the rules and how to use this editor :) Second, I will work hard on finding more reliable sources.But if there are only Non-English version, How can I do? Third, I know it's difficult to find some references (for this) which are more reliable than the references for Paper tiger. so as a newbie, i need to know what's the standard of reliable. not just for this word, but for future. --Eliyyn (talk) 17:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion is not about Paper tiger.  If you think that article should be deleted, there are instructions on how to do so at WP:AFD. In order to make an argument for keeping this article, you need to share reliable sources that discuss it in detail. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment
 * You can read about notability at WP:N. Although English sources are preferred at English Wikipedia, non-English sources are also acceptable, as long as they're good published sources.  There are people here who read Mandarin, though I'm not one of them. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. None of the references used are about the word, they're about games, as near as I can tell - in which the word is mentioned once in each article.  We can't do anythign with this word - perhaps put it in the Chinese version of Wiktionary? -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 21:19, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Joe Chill (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mandarin Chinese profanity. There is already a section about this word in the Positive connotations section of that article (as "niubi" - the literal meaning is "cow's vagina"). I don't think this word is any more common in English than the rest of the words in that list, in any case Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Ironfrost (talk) 04:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  -- Joe Chill (talk) 00:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mandarin Chinese profanity per Ironfrost above. Glass  Cobra  14:09, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.