Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niwa niwa niwa niwa tori ga iru


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  d elete. - Mailer Diablo 13:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Niwa niwa niwa niwa tori ga iru

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This is English Wikipedia. Why do we have a page about a Japanese phrase? JuJube 01:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - more to the point, why do we have a page about a Japanese phrase that doesn't explain, or assert, why it's notable. --Haemo 01:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge to a one-sentence entry on List of homophonous phrases, and after the headache of trying to make sense of its English twin, Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo, I'm starting to see the merits of WP:IDONTLIKEIT as a valid argument —  irides centi   (talk to me!)  01:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. This is the English Wikipedia. --Metropolitan90 03:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't merge unless verified. Can't find any independent sources or many google hits for either this spelling or the variants. Don't transwiki to ja either. The external link doesn't talk about this particular phrasing, and gives no indication that it is anything but an example. –Pomte 04:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Certain foreign phrases have currency and notability in English without being translated, but this isn't one of them. Maybe belongs on a language wiki. Linguicruft. --Dhartung | Talk 04:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. This is the English version of Wikipedia.  Useight 05:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment on "This is the English Wikipedia" While different Wikipedias may have different inclusion standards, the general concept is the same, and nowhere does it say that we are only supposed to focus on things in English-speaking culture. In fact, doing so would represent systemic bias, a clear breach of WP:NPOV. Being the English language Wikipedia just means that the articles are in English, not which articles there are. Thus the only reason this articles topic is in Japanese is because its significance is in the way it's written in Japanese, for the same reason that you wouldn't expect the buffalo sentence to be translated into Spanish on es. That said, I don't know that there are enough reliable sources verifying the significance of this phrase compared to Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den (to give a more appropriate example), and I'm not going to argue for keeping. Confusing Manifestation 06:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Stoic atarian 07:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Belongs on the Japanese Wikipedia or in a dictionary (preferably a japanese one) DBZROCKS 21:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per Dhartung (not per nom or others, as explained by Confusing Manifestation). cab 23:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy per reasons above.  ~ I&#39;m anonymous
 * ??? Speedy on what grounds? —  irides centi   (talk to me!)  01:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Speedy on account that the article itself is plain cruft in question, it should be speedily deleted — it's blantantly unverified content and original research.  ~ I&#39;m anonymous
 * Comment I don't remember that being any of the criteria for speedy deletion. In fact, that page suggests that they are absolutely not criteria. Confusing Manifestation 07:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment It may hint that, but this article's standards meet those of a speedy deletion. Am I not making sense?  ~ I&#39;m anonymous


 * Strong keep We have plenty of articles about English phrases; this one was no less interesting, and translating the name into English (which meaning of this pun?) would not help. If deleted, please move to my userspace, and notify me. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable article about a common sentence often referred to in linguistics discussions. It's neither something made up in one day nor a dictionary definition. Dekimasu よ! 04:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and salvage per Pmanderson — The Japanese Tongue-twister article ja:早口言葉 should be translated into English first, creating a new Japanese tongue-twisters article. (It can be called Hayakuchi kotoba instead, if that's more appropriate.)  Then this article should be merged into it.  The bit about the "pseudo-kanbun" (庭庭庭庭鳥居) seems to be useless info, even if it may be true, and should be deleted (in favor of hiragana).  The article itself in the current form should be deleted.--Endroit 08:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The bit about the "pseudo-kanbun" seems to have been original research and was duly removed from the article. The article should be safe to salvage now.--Endroit 18:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.