Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Gods, No Masters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

No Gods, No Masters

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I feel this material would be better merged into the Anarchism article. I think having a stand-alone article for what, essentially, is just a phrase used by a group is a bit OTT. Basa lisk inspect damage⁄berate 23:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It's as notable as "An Injury to one is an injury to All" which also had a focused attack against it (articles for deletion nomination). The phrase is from 1912 and has lots of history. Many references are made to this motto and its use is international.TurtleMelody (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer to consider the merits of each subject individually, rather than yelling "well they got away with it; so should I!". I'm not saying that the term is bollocks or not notable or anything, just that I think the best way to organise this content on wikipedia is to include it in the parent article (Anarchism) rather than in an obscure off-shoot. Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 02:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To be clear, your argument would have greater merit if the anarchism article were the appropriate place for this slogan, but it is not. A more appropriate location would be a list of anarchist slogans. It would not do to clutter the anarchism article, which is currently at GA and will hopefully be FA ready someday, with the minutia of anarchist political culture. --Cast (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 07:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep - The slogan is pretty widely documented: 400,000 hits in GoogleEverything;  4,000 hits in GoogleBooks.  Merging into  the Anarchism article isn't quite right because it was also used by early 20th c feminists.  The article is a bit short now, but could be substantially expanded. --Noleander (talk) 15:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The phrase is certainly notable enough for the wiktionary, although even there I think the French ni dieu ni maître is more common. But what is there to say about it other than that Auguste Blanqui coined it in 1880 and that other people have used it as a slogan since, or modified it? I don't see any discussions devoted to the term itself on Google, just some people wondering where it came from. Word origins and usage are part of dictionary entries, not encyclopedia ones.  RJC  TalkContribs 16:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you just buttressed the argument for Keep :-) I had no idea it was coined earlier by a Frenchman ... that fact should be in the article.  That the phrase started in France, came to the US (other countries as well?) and was adopted by feminists, and is still in use by Occupy Wall street-type movements is more than a dictionary entry can provide. --Noleander (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I started with keep and switched when I realized that I was arguing in favor of a dictionary entry. ;-)Etymology, no matter how long, is still just etymology. The fact that the word bad might be derived from the word for hermaphrodite is also doubtlessly interesting (the wiktionary entry goes too far in saying that it "probably" comes from  bæddel, since it could also come from bœden, to force or constrain). But we do not have an entry on the word "bad," nor should we.  RJC  TalkContribs 19:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand, per Noleander. Significant coverage in reliable sources exists. There is clear potential (and need) for expansion.-JayJasper (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Noleander. Also, I think the title's capitalization is inappropriate, so I've requested a move on the talk page. --BDD (talk) 18:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been listed as an Anarchism task force deletion discussion. --Cast (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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