Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Means No (film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify seems to be the consensus.. Sourcing, and suggestions for sourcing, were added, but not to the extent that there now is a consensus to keep. Drmies (talk) 22:55, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

No Means No (film)

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Currently fails WP:NFILM, unreleased, no evidence that production itself is notable. Since it will be released within 6 months, I recommend a result of move to Draft: with a requirement that it go through WP:AFC. After 6 months, if it is not edited by a person and not approved through WP:AFC, it will be "soft-deleted" through the normal WP:G13 stale-draft-deletion cleanup. No evidence it meets any other notability criteria at this time. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  20:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  20:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment by nominator: I also nominated the page about the lead actor, see Articles for deletion/Dhruv Verma.  Currently, I do not think either the actor or this film meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for inclusion.  It is possible that one or both will do so within 6 months.  If either one does, the odds of the other doing so are significantly higher. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  20:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify WP:TOOSOON Donaldd23 (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify per above. Some Dude From North Carolina wanna talk? 23:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. There was some coverage in Polish media in 2018: (Dziennik Zachodni),  (Super Express, but that's like Polish Daily Mail...)... nothing since. Borderline IMHO, but could be rescued? Also it supposed to have a premier in two months, which might generate coverage. Wish there was a way to check back on such drafts in 2-3 months. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  07:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As nominator, I am recommending draftification with a firm AFC requirement instead of deletion specifically because the movie will premiere within the 6-month time window and, if it does become a notable topic, there's no need to "start from scratch." There IS a way to check back on drafts in 2-3 months, I'll leave details on your talk page.  Regarding Polish-language sources, if there are reliable, independent sources that provide significant coverage, please provide a rough summary translation on the article's talk page and post a note here.  Also, if the film currently meets the criteria for an article on the Polish-language Wikipedia, please write one and link it to the English-language one, even if the link will be broken if this page is deleted or draftified. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  15:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - appears to pass both GNG and NFILM. There is no rule that we cannot have pages on unreleased movies, and we often have pages before filming even begins. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  21:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Actually, User:El cid, el campeador, there are rules for unreleased films...WP:NFF. One of the points is "films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." This film doesn't appear to have a notable production. Donaldd23 (talk) 23:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

01. Bennett & Coleman’s 100 years old leading newspaper The Times of India articles covering the production house and the project “No means No” Article in Times of India Article 02 in Times of India 02. Mid-day Newspaper Article Article 03. Cineblitz Article in Cineblitz 04. Interview of Mr. Vikash Verma on Republic TV, Poland Interview 05. Start of Filming of the Movie Start of Filming of the Movie Title The production can be classified as notable with finding of my research as below: A. As the government officials of Poland mentioning in their tweet Tweet B. The cast of the film are notable actors with vast industry experience of more than 400 films, like Gulshan Grover, Sharad Kapoor, Armaan Kohli & Hariharan the legendary Music Director & Singers like Shreya Ghoshal are working with this production house. C. The content can be supported with various articles and pictures showing up on google search which can be counted to be more than 200 articles from notable sources. D. These articles and sources are also listed on the IMDB Pro page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archiedesai (talk • contribs) 19:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - I have extensively researched the first Indo-polish movie “No means No” also known as "Nie Means Nie"  and have found articles from the notable sources:
 * Thank you. While the sources aren't the best (even The Times of India is not always reliable per WP:TOI), this is exactly the kind of "rescue effort" that could save this topic, if the sources check out as being reliable, independent, and in-depth. If you find anything in-depth from a source listed as reliable in Reliable sources/Perennial sources or which is NOT listed as unreliable there and is well-known enough as a reliable source that nobody will question it, that might just do the trick. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  19:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so very much Sir for your support and the trick for the page to stay. More reliable sources were found mentioning the Movie and also world renowned music director/singer Mr. Hariharan(Singer) acknowledging his association with the movie on Zee News which is within the reliable source list and should do the trick. More notable & reliable sources links mentioned below covering the movie “No means No”
 * https://zeenews.india.com/people/hariharan-sons-release-their-first-song-together-2125065.html
 * http://epaper.lokmat.com/articlepage.php?articleid=LOKTIME_AULT_20201029_8_5
 * https://boxofficeindia.co.in/director-vikash-verma%E2%80%99s-no-means-no-india%E2%80%99s-first-indo-polish-film-clocks-spring-2021-release
 * https://www.mid-day.com/articles/dhruv-verma-all-set-to-excite-the-audience-with-his-high-budget-indo-polish-action-thriller-no-means-no/23145246 ... Archiedesai (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment @davidwr : Sir, I am amazed to find an article in print as well as on digital platform in the world renowned newspaper “The Hindu” which is in the reliable list of Wikipedia, with an in depth independent beautiful article on the movie “No means No”, a movie on women empowerment.
 * Please go through the article, which also says that The Prime Minister & Dy Prime Minister, Ms. Margaret Pepek, the member of parliament & chairwoman of the Polish & Indian Parliamentary group, the diplomatic heads of both India & Poland to the likes of His excellency Mr. Ajay Bisaria (former Indian Ambassador to Poland & now High Commissioner to Canada), are supporting the movie.
 * The Production house G7 Films has already started working on their next movie The Good Maharaja - a true story on World War II.
 * Also few more articles were found covering the film in the wikipedia reliable source list newspaper & digital platform of LOKMAT & Boxoffice India, published in last 2-3 days.
 * https://www.lokmat.com/bollywood/music-director-sajid-khan-impressed-indo-polish-film-no-means-no-a589/
 * https://boxofficeindia.co.in/bollywood%E2%80%99s-action-star-dhruv-verma-gears-surprise-his-indo-polish-film-no-means-no
 * The Production House G7 Films & Director have been awarded for the initiative taken by them to strengthen the bilateral relationship of the two nations by the Government of Bihar.
 * The film being the first Indo-Polish movie is itself carries the credentials of being listed on encyclopaedia as being the first of its kind.
 * The web search results with more than 200 independent article for the Movie and its internationally acclaimed artists and musicians, who have worked in the film, and haven’t found any press conference undertaken by the production house.
 * The movie and the production house is also supported by Govt. of Poland and has been acknowledged through a tweet on their official Tweeter Handle.
 * I trust your support and your wide experience will do justice and allow the article to remain live and remove from the deletion list. Archiedesai (talk)


 * Keep - “No means No”,  searching on google, found the first Indo-Polish film "No Means No”.  Article on reliable sources like Zee News of Zee Media, India’s one of the biggest News Website ABP Live and also there are youtube video on India’s two biggest news channel name as ABP Bihar owned by ABP News Network and Bihar tak owned by India Today Television. Everyday there is a news reporting about the movie and its production house G7 Films. With the prominent Film Personalities like Gulshan Grover (worked in more than 400 Hollywood & Bollywood movies), is an actor in the film, Shreya Ghosal is the singer in the movie, whose statue is placed at Madam Tussaad’s Museum, and Mission Impossible famed choreographer Shiamak Davar has choreographed this film.
 * Zee News article of 18th December, 2020
 * ABP Live is an Indian Hindi news website owned by ABP News Network which has covered the Movie "No Means No"
 * ABP Bihar is an Indian Hindi news channel is owned by ABP News Network speaks about the movie "No means No"
 * Bihar Tak is an Indian Hindi News channel owned by India Today Television also provide information on the movie "No means No".01lt (talk) 14:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Based on translate.google.com, the Zeenews article of 18th December, 2020 is significant coverage of Dhruv Verma but not of this film. I cannot judge the independence or reliability of that article, but since it is not "in depth" I didn't need to.  Do you have examples that include in-depth coverage of this film, particularly of its production?  Remember, the proposed outcome of this discussion is to move it into "Draft:" space rather than immediate deletion. My expectation is that if this film is released in wide-release, there is a reasonable chance - but by no means a certainty - that this film, like many wide-release films before it, will receive the in-depth, independent coverage in reliable sources needed to satisfy WP:Notability/WP:NFILM.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  16:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify per nom. Found one source by The Hindu about the film. Coverage in more reliable and independent sources might be seen once the film is released. Currently, WP:TOOSOON.  Ashley  yoursmile!  05:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment :
 * The project is supported and appreciated by various noted personalities of film industry, and also by noted politician and bureaucrats as per various new articles that I have come across during the research on the project.
 * I am sure my learned friend will note and understand that these personalities are highly responsible towards the society and their backing and support doesn’t come without the credibility of the project.
 * I have come across more independent news articles in reliable news papers and publications such as the The Hindu & Mid-day, in addition to more than 200+ article from various Indian as well as international news agencies. The article in The Hindu & Mid-Day for your ready reference.
 * I therefore stand for the article to remain live and request you to please remove it from the list of Article for deletion (AFD) and allow the article remain live. By doing so it will do justice to the article.
 * Archiedesai (talk) 05:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * A better link for "Films have power to break boundaries":
 * davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  05:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  05:19, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment :
 * Thank you so much, necessary correction is done on my comment.
 * However, Few more article & Listings found on Lokmat & Bollywood Hungama. - Archiedesai (talk) 11:07, 1 February 2021 (UTC)


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