Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No One Rides for Free


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 09:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

No One Rides for Free

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Couldn't find any sources for notability Fasttimes68 (talk) 02:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Gongshow  Talk 03:00, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to the artist's article- I don't see why this album is individually notable. Ducknish (talk) 16:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

This is a real album released by Bongload Custom Records in 1994. I have it on CD and LP why is even being considered for deletion. This album is found on every major music site and the article has a direct link to AllMusic. This needs to be removed from the deletion list ASAP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgr927 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)  (Reformatted to remove all caps so that it's readable. wctaiwan (talk) 08:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC))
 * Because there is nothing to indicate that this Albumn is notable. Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2012 (UTC)



This is the debut album by the popular California band Fu Manchu. They are still performing today and are very relevant. This album will inevitably be relisted if it is deleted. It is extremely notable and needs to be edited to appear like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgr927 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And if restored it will be nominated for deletion again if there are no sources. Fasttimes68 (talk) 19:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Establishing notability for a pre-internet-era album (1994) can be a bit tricky due to the lack of online references. I found 2 online reviews and a mention in addition to AllMusic.  The Rough Guide to Rock calls it "classic" but doesn't have much else to say, and the Encyclopedia of heavy metal music (William Phillips, Brian Cogan, 2009) and 'The rough guide to heavy metal'' (Essi Berelian, 2005) mention it. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:51, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tertiary sources should not be used to establish GNG. Fasttimes68 (talk) 19:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

How many sources does it need to be notable. You found 3-4 yourself, but did you ever think of checking ebay? I own this album on CD and on Vinyl. Please do research into the record label. Bong Load Custom Records was also the music artist Beck first home. This is a legitimate album, I don't know why you waste your time trying to get rid of this when theres plenty of other flawed wikipedia articles out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgr927 (talk • contribs) 05:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:RS Fasttimes68 (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Album Notes Fu Manchu: Scott Hill (vocals, guitar); Eddie Glass (guitar); Brad Davis (bass); Ruben Romano (drums).After a number of 45 inch singles and EPs, SoCal stone rockers Fu Manchu inaugurated their career properly with 1994's No One Rides for Free, a solid collection of groove-laden tunes that would establish a formula the band would hardly touch for years to come. Produced by then-Kyuss drummer Brant Bjork (who would officially join the band three years later), this is a confident debut from the get go. After racing through opener "Time to Fly," they unleash their first classic in "Ojo Rojo," whose lyrics about hot rods and drag racing would become a band trademark. This recurring theme pervades many of the album's other highlights, including "Superbird" and "Mega-Bumpers." By comparison, the soft acoustic guitar strumming of "Free and Easy (Summer Girls)" remains a career anomaly -- though an interesting one at that. Ironically, No One Rides for Free would remain the only worthwhile Fu Manchu album for many years to come, as subsequent efforts failed to yield any truly memorable tracks, no thanks to their often non-existent choruses and nonsensical lyrics. ~ Eduardo Rivadavia

Editorial Reviews 3 stars out of 5 - Their mid-'90s albums defined Californian stoner rock....NO ONE RIDES FOR FREE is assured... Q (20040401) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgr927 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Has a couple references with reviews, but both sites apparently have no editorial process, nor are the users hired reviewers, so they don't seem to be reliable sources. I would accept a tertiary source as a reliable source, but it'd have to be more than a passing mention. eBay sales of the album obviously are not RSs. To users who would like us to feature an article on this album: my advice is to send copies to major reviewers and ask them to take a look at it, see if you can get some pieces published on it. It may become eligible for inclusion then. Dcoetzee 08:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - It has reviews from at least Allmusic and the Los Angeles Times, both of which are reliable sources.  That the Rough Guide to Rock, which is also a reliable source, describes the song as "classic" indicates that there were other reviews to support such a statement. Rlendog (talk) 20:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 01:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

 This album Mellow Gold is a legitimate album released in 1994 with a catalog number of BL12 (Bongload Records). Yet this Fu Manchu album has a catalog number of BL10 and was also released in 1994. Record labels release albums in sequential order. The Fu Manchu album has a lower catalog number so it MUST have been issued sometimes in 1994 or earlier. The songs on the album were even published in 1993! if you took the time to read the liner notes. This is starting to get ridiculous, Fu Manchu has been a band over 20 years. There is no motive for anybody to fabricate a debut album for them. This is a REAL album whether you find "reliable sources" for it or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgr927 (talk • contribs) 05:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.