Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Pants Day (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This was relisted for another week by Liz and no further input was achieved. Daniel (talk) 04:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

No Pants Day
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I have reviewed the previous deletion discussions and it seems like the sources for this are few, and many seem to trace back to Wikipedia. The Knighthood of BUH itself seems to taken down it's website. I am sure the sources prove that events have occurred at the UofT at Austin, but not sure about anywhere else. It's honestly possible the knighthood themselves created the initial article. Since this is localized to one University as far as i can tell, it should either be merged with the University of Texas at Austin article or deleted.

Do not confuse this with the No Pants Subway Ride, a much more popular unrelated event that happens in January. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A reasonable voice (talk • contribs) 00:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 November 17.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 00:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Texas.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  01:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  01:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Soft keep BUT I think the best thing to do would be to delete the meat of the article related to UT Austin and have it be about the aforementioned No Pants (Subway Ride) Day itself, which is what I've seen the term refer to more often. Kazamzam (talk) 18:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Kazamzam, what do you mean by "soft keep"? I've closed a lot of AFDs and I've never heard of a soft keep. Liz Read! Talk! 08:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: I'd like to see more assessment of sources. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * As pointed out over 2 AFD discussions and the article's talk page, the No Pants Subway Ride, which is how editors have repeatedly tried to rescue this, has its own article. We are at the point where we really have to determine whether some day invented by a comedy club in a university in Texas is actually properly and independently documented in depth and has escaped its creators.  "By a comedy club?", you ask.  That's how a university magazine characterized it, and really didn't say much in depth about this at all.  It was less well documented by the university magazine article than the  itself was, which we deleted, and which the magazine article was mainly about.  Ironically, there is more text in the rants on the talk page about students making up stuff than there is about this day in any source that I can find.  One of the sources in the article is an interview with the inventors describing this.  After all of other editors's searches on the talk page and and in prior AFD discussions, we collectively have managed the Houston Chronicle as 1 independent source and that's it, after 18 years. Uncle G (talk) 19:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to No Pants Subway Ride.  Lu Gus Declan Biba  Elodie Barnaby  01:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep -- There is not a lot of RS coverage here, but there is enough between Austin and Berkeley to make this viable as a subject, . The Chronicle article on newspaper comics confirms my own (non-RS) recollection of that event.  The article is in sad shape, but WP:DINC. If this were a new article, I'd probably suggest draftify, but it is referenced independently just enough to sustain an article. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty of sources on Newspapers Extended. If anyone looks at the article now and thinks it's not WP:HEY enough, I can add a few more, but the Boise and Billings events (no subway involved) should be enough WP:SIGCOV. Cheers! BBQ  boffingrill me 07:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - I was going to close this as No Consensus as a bold NAC closure, however given the history of this subject I refrained and will simply provide an opinion that it seems no clear consensus has been achieved here. I am not myself entirely satisfied this is an article worthy of inclusion based on gut instinct. Coverage does not automatically warrant inclusion, we must consider whether on the totality, the subject itself needs coverage in a standalone article. However, there is no question that on its face, the article does appear to meet the general notability guideline. I do not think a clear-cut, unequiovcal argument for either Keep or Delete can be made. I believe that based on the discussion which has taken place, and considering the AFD history of this subject, no clear consensus has been reached, and never will be reached. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The 'delete' arguments were that there's "1 independent source and that's it, after 18 years" and the nom thought the May events were localized to Austin. Clearly those arguments are refuted by the text and sources that have been added to the article since. We have more than WP:THREE strong sources, and WP:SIGCOV of non-subway events in Berkeley, Billings, and Boise. As for your "gut instinct", with all due respect, that is not a Wikipedia policy; WP:GNG is, and A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. BBQ  boffingrill me 03:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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