Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Reasons (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

No Reasons
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Appears to fail WP:NFILM, only 1 (questionable) review found and cited. No others found in a BEFORE.

Previously deleted in an AfD, but recreated. Donald D23  talk to me  23:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and United Kingdom.  Donald D23   talk to me  23:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge, in small part, to Spencer Hawken, the writer and director. There's some verifiable info that could fit in that article. &mdash;siro&chi;o 07:50, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

  Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  

The article notes: "The story of No Reasons revolves around Jodie, a fresh faced young teenager who one day fails to come home from school. The focus is then put on her parents, Sally and Paul as they try to piece together the tatters of their life without their much loved child. But as the story probes deeper the movie will reveal a darker more sinister side as to why Jodie disappeared. Hornchurch and Brentwood are going to be the key locations within the movie, with private properties already secured for filming. The cast already includes 80s sensation Emily Lloyd and filming is due to begin shortly."  

The article notes: "Last year Spencer Hawken and Lucinda Rhodes created the movie Death Walks, they followed this up with a very different horror story Revisited. Now they begin work on No Reasons, a thriller centered around every parents nightmare. Set in Brentwood and Hornchurch the movie begins with the disappearance of 14-year-old Jodie, the movie then follows an 18 month journey for the parents as they try to discover what has become of their daughter. It’s not until a private investigator steps in however that a terrible secret, and a hidden underground world becomes exposed. The movie is being shot for a modest £30,000 which in movie terms is very little indeed, yet the creators have gathered a very interesting cast together that includes some big names from yesteryear. “I’m a big believer in picking up people that have been forgotten by the mainstream, we have a clutch-full of very popular former Eastenders stars, a once Oscar nominated actress, and some familiar faces doing something very different to how we normally see them,” says Spencer Hawken,“ some of whom we have already gone public with, others we are keeping tight lipped about for as long as possible. I love when your sat watching a film or a TV show and suddenly this familiar face pops up you were not expecting.” Hawken describes No Reasons as a tale unlike any other, a bit like Grange Hill meets Saw. “I’m a big believer in not doing what others are, No Reasons is a genre-jumping movie, with some very edgy ideas, and a very vivid imagination.” Names currently attached to the project include Daniel Peacock (Robin Hood – Prince Of Thieves), and Jessie Williams (TV’s Tracy Beaker and The Dumping Ground)."  

The article notes: "Kickstarter, the site that acts as a springboard for many aspiring film makers is being used by film making duo Spencer Hawken and Lucinda Rhodes to fund the last part of their film project, No Reasons. The pair have completed 90% of the film and the final piece of funding is to enable them to add some much needed special effects and give the final bit of polish to this piece of work. No reasons is a dark thriller that revolves around the disappearance of a young schoolgirl and follows follows Paul (Marc Bannerman) and Sally (Lucinda Rhodes) as they struggle to comes to ters with their missing daughter and search for answers. The film plays as a whodunnit but contains taboo elements which have led it to be described as ‘contraversial’ and compared to films such as A Serbian Film and The Human Centipede. The cast contains a fair amount of notable talent and the project looks certain to draw plenty of attention in the horror community, making it an excellent gig to get involved with for any potential backers."  

The article notes: "The cast has been announced for Hawken Rhodes’ “No Reasons”. Marc Bannerman, Lucinda Rhodes, Roland Manookian, Elisha Applebaum, Lorraine Stanley, Daniel Smales, Scott Mullins, Jazz Lintott, Jon Guerriero, Daniel Peacock, Dexter Koh, Jessie Williams, and Holly Boeva have all signed on for the Spencer Hawken directed project. When Jodie goes missing, her parents are left behind to pick up the pieces. They frantically try every option to get her to come home, or for her kidnappers to release her. While they search the mortuaries looking for clues, a private investigator discovers a murky world and a terrible secret everyone wants to keep."  

The article notes: "Spencer Hawken, 40, of London Road, Brentwood, a screenwriter, producer and director, has chosen the borough once again as the backdrop to his latest creation, No Reasons. He describes it as “a mixture of the makings of a kitchen sink drama as well as a horrific crime thriller”. Spencer directed Death Walks, a zombie movie filmed in Havering last year. His new project stars famous faces in the form of ‘Allo Allo’s Vicki Michelle and 2013 Big Brother runner-up Dexter Koh. Dexter said: “No Reasons has reignited my love for the British film industry. It’s amazingly wicked!” Other stars include ex-Hollyoaks actor Stuart Manning and Roland Manookian, who has worked with director Guy Ritchie and who said he wanted a role because of its “level of darkness”. Focusing on the aftermath of a girl going missing, there are elements that have been inspired by some of the top British crimes in the past 20 years, Spencer said. He added: “There are certain parts of the film that have been taken from four separate news stories that caught my attention, making it an incredibly dark picture.” From Hornchurch Library in North Street, Hornchurch, to The Brickyard bar and grill in South Street, Romford, the film is mainly set in Havering. Spencer said: “When we shot Death Walks in Romford, we got so much support from the area and that was kind of the incentive that drove us to coming back here.” Residents were given a chance to be part of the movie. Former Harold Wood schoolboy Spencer said: “I hope the people of Havering will really enjoy it.” No Reasons will be released at a date to be announced this year." </li> <li>

The article notes: "A film which has been 18 months in the making, will be shown for the first time at Premiere Cinema in the Mercury Mall on Friday. No Reasons is described by director Spencer Hawken as a “kitchen sink horror” with plenty of plot twists as the audience follows the tale of a couple’s 14-year-old daughter going missing. Famous faces are seen throughout the film, including former Hollyoaks and Casualty actor Stuart Manning, Vicki Michelle from ‘Allo ‘Allo! and Jazz Lintott from The Real Hustle. Locations such as The Brickyard, Mercury Mall, in Romford, and Fairkytes Arts Centre in Hornchurch are used as backdrops." </li> <li>

The article notes: "No Reasons (Movie) by Spencer Hawken and Lucinda Rhodes. No Reasons is the story of a missing girl and the family left behind. Over the course of 18 months the story follows Paul (Marc Bannerman) and Sally (Lucinda Rhodes) Bryant, as they struggle to come to terms with her disappearance. No Reasons plays out like an old fashioned whodunit, there are clues, mysteries, revelations, and shocking secret that everyone wants to keep. No Reasons also stars Lorraine Stanley (who currently is shooting Suffragette with Meryl Streep and Helena Bonham Carter) as Simone a woman so terrifying she puts Glen Close’s performance in Fatal Attraction to shame. Vicki Michelle an actress known to millions for three decades thanks to her role in Allo Allo. Roland Manookian star of The Business, The Football Factory, and Goodbye Charlie Bright. Anna Karen best known for her performance as Olive from 70’s smash hit comedy On The Buses. Stuart Manning of popular teen soap Hollyoaks. Dexter Koh runner up of of 2013’s Big Brother. Jessie Williams children’s TV icon with successful shows The Dumping Ground and Tracy Beaker returns already under her wing for several years at the age of just 15. Jazz Lintott star of BBC3’s The Real Hustle, and the controversial thriller Airbourne. And last but no means least Daniel Peacock (Quadrophenia, Only Fools And Horses) as the bungling private investigator Maurice. What makes No Reasons so unique is it’s story, it covers a number of touchy and taboo areas not yet covered by British cinema. Compared already by industry players as a combination of Kitchen Sink drama meets A Serbian Film and The Human Centipede, and compared in controversial ranking by industry head Steven Woolley as on a par to Ken Russell’s The Devils. It is also with a budget of just £25,000 one if the lowest budget British movies ever to be made with such an enormous cast of familiar faces. Director/writer/producer Spencer Hawken promises there has never been a British movie quite like this, and that is why so many known performers lowered their fee to be part of the action. The film was shot in Havering and Brentwood, Essex with hundreds of people volunteering for roles, and to help put the film together. Big locations such as Romford’s The Brickyard gave their venue to the films producers for use in the film. Other locations included Big Cars, The Havering Well, Brentwood Police Station, and dozens of private residences. 90% of the movie is complete! with the aforementioned special effects scenes being all that remains to shoot." </li> <li>

The article notes: “The horror film actor added: "I had a few sleepless nights when characterising Kevin, even though your playing a character you can’t help but become overwhelmed by the themes. I think you have a certain level of performance confidence to take these types of roles on. I based my character on an old school teacher, he had slicked hair to the side flat to his head which inspired the characteristic in the film. He always wore a suit jacket or shirt and had square point shoes I even managed to get those details into the film. Despite all this we have had great positivity through the success of No Reason, I’ve not heard a bad thing about the film expect it's not going to be for everyone as it is very dark.” </li> <li>

The article notes: “The movie covers some pretty despicable characters. It's great to see Mark Bannerman stretching himself and doing something completely different believe me this is different ... A couple played by Marc Bannerman and Lucinda Rhodes have lost their child. She's been missing for some time and over the course of the first half hour of the film that time frame shows that kind of progresses. It's a little bit hazy as to how long she's been missing but we're talking like a couple of years. They are the kind of people that try and pull you back so you've got a collection of some nice characters and some not nice characters, who all eventually become not nice characters ... It's not an easy film to talk about there are a lot of themes in there, it's a lot to unpack ... As an independent filmmaker in Britain you need that enthusiasm, you need that drive otherwise your movie is not going to get made. It's a pretty solid movie it looks good, it sounds good." </li> <li> and The article notes: “A bad take on a difficult topic, this movie contains more sexual assault and rape scenes than I've ever seen put to film, and it does it all with no impact, no gravitas, and an air of flippancy that honestly just made me upset. This isn't even a "dare" movie like A Serbian Film, it handles everything in such a juvenile, adolescent way for bad attempts at continually ramping up perceived shock value and falls flat in every relatable way as a result." </li> </ol> There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow ‘’No Reasons’’ to pass Notability and WP:Film which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". It also meets the requirements of receiving full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. The film is historically notable, as evidenced by given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release. S6GHSAM4 (talk) 10:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC) </li> </ul>
 * Keep. Plenty of evidence above that WP:NFILM is met, primarily through WP:NFP. Actualcpscmscrutinize, talk 15:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article is fairly thorough and meets the GNG. The Essex Enquirer, Famous Monsters, and first Romford Recorder sources look good, and there is clearly enough information to be gleaned from the various other reviews and database entries to write a proper article, which it seems has been done. <span style="font-family:'Rubik', sans-serif; color:#21a81e; text-shadow:#999b9e 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Toadspike (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


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