Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/No Vacancy Lounge


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The result was Keep. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

No Vacancy Lounge

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Just a run of the mill local venue in Portland Oregon that opened, then shuttered. It's very typical for eateries and bars to open, then close. It's a routine and this is not notable. Graywalls (talk) 21:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up: I'd like to add comments here as the article greatly increased in bulk since, and only after the AfD was started. Several comments mention number of sources. The article has a lot of name dropping and lots of sources around those names. This is an event venue. It hosts events. Lists of events and people involved to a venue is like airport is to a list of flight numbers and destinations. The policy that is relevant is that organizations are not don't inherit notability "An organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it." which would mean that Will Vinton having his celebration of life event; and all the names dropped for names of people in booked events don't pass down their notability to the venue.


 * deep, but local weekly
 * very deep, but Lake Oswego Review is a hyperlocal paper with very limited audience Not even distributed in Portland.This will completely fail WP:AUD, because it's hyperlocal.
 * other local with cited press release. routine coverage
 * very local and discusses about a coverage in Mercury
 * "Events Calendar". this doesn't really count as a source

There are even more Willamette Week and Mercury links. These are the two local alternative weeklies here in Portland. Many are just routine announcements and "things to do" type articles of local interest. It's especially more common in the Mercury.

The notable Will Vinton gets three separate references(two of which I have just purged, because they clearly had constructive purpose.), but the relevance to the notability of the article's venue is basically none. There are three references to Will Vinton, a notable person... but the extent of the venue's mention is merely an address and a name. Animation Magazine covered the event, because it was for Will Vinton, nothing to do with the venue. Having three sources stacked up together accomplishes nothing for doing anything of use on this article other than clutter it.
 * this is just an event announcement "Vinton’s family said a celebration of life will be held at No Vacancy Lounge at 235 S.W. 1st Avenue in Portland, starting at 3 p.m. Sunday, Oct. 21."
 * so is this "The family plans to celebrates his life at No Vacancy Lounge in downtown Portland at 3 p.m., Oct. 21. In lieu of flowers, they ask remembrances be sent to the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society."
 * another event posting All the proceeds from the evening's showings will go to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Tickets are $10. There will also be a celebration of Vinton's life at No Vacancy Lounge on Sunday, Oct. 21.

So the change certainly adds an appearance of well finished article, I don't see that this venue that opened, then closed not long later is really all that notable.

Lots of references are those "flight list" citations for things like like: "No Vacancy's 420 Celebration featuring Ex Mag Select Oil hosts this party at Portland's most ambitious new dance club with electro soul-funk trio ExMag, which only sounds a little bit like a Lonely Island gag. No Vacancy, 235 SW 1st Ave. 8 pm. $4.20. 21+." (cited: calendar).

So I still think this place is quite shaky on the notability ground.Graywalls (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I was waiting for a follow up note exactly like this. First of all, there's nothing wrong with me or other editors working to improve an article following a deletion nomination. In fact, this is quite common. Also, no one is suggesting all the citations help to verify notability, but in my opinion they do help provide an overview of the venue's events and other activities. I go back and forth with you way too much, so I'll let other editors take over for now. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Post trim comment: A ton of "things to do" and calendar referenced routine events were added by the article creator after the AfD was created. After manually clearing those cushion fillers, we have one very detailed local coverage in local Lake Oswego(A Portland suburban city of just under 40,000 people), a bunch of coverage in the alternative papers for the Portland area Portland Mercury and Willamette Week in different coverage depth. A look in Portland Mercury shows just how much routine announcements are in that paper. http://dancemusicnw.com/no-vacancy-lounge-portland-redefining-oregon-nightlife/. Graywalls (talk) 07:56, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep (disclaimer: article creator), per sufficient in-depth secondary coverage in multiple reliable sources. There are other sources to incorporate, such as this profile. I'll also see if I can find info in the library system's Oregonian archives, and try to add mention of some of the acts and events hosted. Update: I've added some detail to the history, but the "Reception" section still needs expanding. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep The topic seems to have gained some media coverage, especially for their events (when they operated) and when they decided to close. The article needs cleanup though. --Plaxie (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sufficient sourcing on the article.-- N Ø  16:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , if you have a moment. Would you mind having a quick look again? A lot of cushion filler sources made up of calendar listings was removed. Graywalls (talk) 07:58, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up with me. Just had a look and I’m satisfied with the current amount of sources as well. There’s some in-depth ones too.— N Ø  12:30, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. There are over two dozen sources (as of this writing) attesting to the notability of this subject. --Kbabej (talk) 23:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep, please do not just count sources; consider WP:REFBOMB: Thirteen sources are just routine event listings like "The 38 Best Things to Do in Portland This Weekend: Oct 26-28" that do not contribute to notability at all. However there are other sources that do go into substantive enough depth here. Reywas92Talk 18:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * comment, the article changed a ton from when I AfD it and the time you came across it. JFYI. Graywalls (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * AfDs are based on all possible sourcing, not the current state of an article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


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