Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Sammak


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The result was delete. Appears to be WP:TOOSOON WP:REFUND applies of subject makes the big time. Thanks everyone for contributing and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Noah Sammak

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Non-notable writer who fails WP:CREATIVE and WP:GNG. The subject has songwriting credits with some notable artists, but I was not able to find any significant coverage of him in independent sources. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Wikipedia:Notability states that and i quote The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.. The subjects contribution the Justin bieber's Song Yummy is verifiable on Billboard, point (A) being met when the lyrics that the subject wrote for the Song mentioned above Rose to number 2 on Billboard's charts, and point (B) is validated by the fact that the song Yummy has a huge following (over 80 millions views on Youtube/has it's own Wikipedia article that links back to the subject that is being deleted. As far as notability goes, according to General notability guideline, the second point covers editorial integrity, i cited Billboard and kkbox which are reputable sources of information in the music world and i quote :Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability. I do not believe we need tens or hundreds of sources to make a subject notable, just one or two reliable ones are enough--Nimroftem (talk) 18:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. The whole question of notability is the contribution to one song. This falls under WP:ONEEVENT, there needs to be evidence of sustained coverage, and that's not present. Ifnord (talk) 23:13, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The question of notability is not just the contribution to one song, in fact few songs, also in the article there is a mention of a book written by the subject and reference to it, so i disagree that it falls under WP:ONEEVENT--Nimroftem (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete After I had removed tumblr, instagram, and the cowriting of yummy with two other people, there was almost nothing left at all, and certainly nothing that I could see that contributes to notability. There is only one copy in total of one book by the subject held across all major libraries in Australia, and looks like for the purposes of notability a non event, so the cowriting is a single event.  Perhaps TOOSOON?  Aoziwe (talk) 10:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient independent sources and at this point, does not meet WP:GNG. PenulisHantu (talk) 16:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * the sources are independent enough ( google books, Billboard..) i did not fabricate those. Aoziwe what are you talking about? removing tumblr, instagram? how is that related to this subject?--Nimroftem (talk) 17:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * When I did seaches I discounted all the self published and dubious reliabilty or non reliable sites that come up referrring to the subject. Aoziwe (talk) 03:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Per arguments above and because the subject has (very likely) promoted themselves various times in the past on Wikipedia without any valid secondary sources to back them up.--DovahDuck (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I wanted to add that I removed the KKbox references from the article due to information in this link: https://help.kkbox.com/sg/en/function/playing-setting/1936 The company gets it lyrics and credits via member submittions, thus making its usage as a secondary source unreliable. I'm pretty sure that Billboard just copied down the lyrics and credits from a lyrics site (possibly the aforementioned one) due them having gotten credits wrong in the past and due to literally no other reliable secondary sources mentioning Noah as a writer in any of the songs that he has been claimed to write on. They have also contradicted themselves multiple times in the past in articles, so they're reliability is questionable on occasion.--DovahDuck (talk) 18:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Charitably it is too soon under Wikipedia's rules for notability. Yes, he has gotten some real co-writing credits for songs by Bieber and a few others, and that is accurately reflected in the media, but nobody has done any "who is this guy?" investigation on him specifically, in order to provide reliable and significant media coverage to confer notability. I also concur with the previous voters on the status of his book, which is probably a self-promoted vanity publication and it if it wasn't, it still has not received any reliable media coverage either. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 22:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:SIGCOV. I found nothing in Google newspapers, nothing relevant/reliable on books, and two unreliable sources on news. Bearian (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


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