Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noble Lady Shun


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Noble Lady Shun

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Merge and Redirect to Jiaqing Emperor. WP:NOTEVERYTHING and article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. My WP:BEFORE turned up nothing. Similar article Articles for deletion/Concubine En was recently redirected.  // Timothy ::  talk  04:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 04:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 04:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

*Merge to Concubines of the Jiaqing Emperor. I expect there will be some more information about at least some of these women. The material as it stands isn’t enough to support a series of stand-alone articles but there is enough for a single article with a couple of paras in each of them.Mccapra (talk) 08:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep nooo she was a former consort (fei). She was demoted from her rank of Consort in 1788. Fei is the fourth highest rank in Imperial Chinese harem system, see also Ranks of Imperial Consorts in China. Fei (consort) of China are equated with "Queen of third rank" were known as "Shweye Hsaungya Mibaya" (ရွှေရေးဆောင်ရ မိဖုရား, lit. 'Queens who Possess the Gilded Chambers') of Burma. She was also a member of two prominent powerful Chinese families, one by birth - the "House of Niuhuru", one by marriage the "House of Aisin-Gioro" (Ruling house). Do note, Consort or Queen or Princess consort or Princess are forever notable. No one can delete them on Wikipedia. I did not vote on your deletion requests for other concubines, but this one is different. Cape Diamond MM (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I think her rank and position is high and important enough in the harem hierarchy for her to stay, but her and many other similar articles are nonetheless problematic, because they are very thin on personal information: they consists of names, dates, titles and genealogy, but no personal information. What was she like as a person, did she participate in any known political act, plot, conflict, memorable event? What was her relationship like to other influential people at court, her sympathies, enemies and views? As the article stands now, she appear to be a blank sheat of a person, so it's no wonder the article is nominated; she appears to be just a genealogical footnote. The article really should be developed and expanded with more personal information which confirms her relevance, otherwise a nomination would always appear reasonable even if I don't support it. The Chinese language wikip-article appears to have plenty information of the kind that should be included in this one, so it is possible to expand the article, and it really should be.--Aciram (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep There are more sources and details in the zh.wiki article so I think notability is established. 05:20, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Mccapra (talk)


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