Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noble Order of the Lamp and Sword

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was DELETE. Rossami (talk) 04:04, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Noble Order of the Lamp and Sword
Not verifiable. --fvw *  22:43, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC) However, the nice thing is that we don't have to be sure whether it's a troll or not &mdash; we just apply our criteria as diligently as possible, and it'll all work out in the end. For example, this particular article, even if genuine (and I'm not making any judgement on that), defines itself as unverifiable. That more or less ends the discussion right there: pony up the sources, or else. JRM 02:42, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)
 * Delete. "[...] what is known about the Order (the bulk of which is written here) comes from rumors or from careless talk by the members. It is possible that the Order intentionally starts rumors about itself to confuse outsiders." (Emphasis mine.) The candor is appreciated. Curiously enough, this can't be an encyclopedia article especially if it's all true. JRM 01:21, 2005 Jan 2 (UTC)
 * Delete as unverifiable, unless verifiable sources are provided and verified prior to expiration of VfD discussion. Verifiability is non-negotiable. It means that Wikipedia cannot have articles on any secret societies that are serious about secrecy, but that's the price Wikipedia pays for being an encyclopedia. Is it just me or are we getting more "smells-like-a-hoax" articles lately? Dpbsmith (talk) 02:30, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * We've had some better-than-average trolls lately, IMO. They're still easy to ferret out, but no longer as obvious as some of the early attempts; we actually have to put some effort in (though I'd wager the editor-to-troll effort ratio is still close to 1, which means the trolls are still losing).
 * Listen to JRM and Delete this campus prank. Wyss 04:15, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: I flagged this (along with all secret society articles) initially at the village pump and vote for deletion as well. Samw 05:07, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Antandrus 05:11, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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