Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noble farming families of groningen


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The result was   delete. Tone 17:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Noble farming families of groningen

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Call it a hoax or falsification, but this article contains too many mistakes/falsifications to keep. First: the article is about Friesland, not Groningen as the title claims. William the Silent was never king, but only appointed as stadholder. Charlemange was never king of Friesland. It has nothing to do with farming families, but with nobility. Not with Groningen and Delft, but with Friesland. And so on... Night of the Big Wind talk  21:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Totally unsalvageable incoherent nonsense from the beginning to the end. The article lead claims this is about medieval Groningen and Delft, which makes about as much sense as an article whose topic is Kansas and Charlotte. Then the article text seems to be about Friesland, but (apart from what nominator already mentioned) the De Vos van Steenwijk family is from Drenthe. The Roman Empire, even at its maximal extent, never included Friesland, and Friesland was never occupied by the Dutch. --Lambiam 00:44, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * P.S. I see that speedy deletion by virtue of G3 has been declined because it is not an obvious hoax. It is, however, blatant and obvious misinformation, which is also speediable under G3. And Aristotle was not a Belgian. --Lambiam 10:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - in addition to what has already been said, it reads like an essay, and appears to be unreferenced WP:OR. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 08:31, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 17:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions.  — frankie (talk) 17:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't think it is a hoax - it looks to be in good faith, but by a newbie who would benefit from mentorship. None the less, it is unsalvageable, as it isn't about any focused topic at all, and certainly not what the title says it is, nor is that namespace likely ever to prove useful for an article or redirect. None of the information would merit merging, being better dealt with already on the appropriate pages. Agricolae (talk) 00:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * While I agree this may have been well-intentioned, it is so completely off the mark that mentorship can only be expected to be frustrating for everyone involved. --Lambiam 06:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have advised him to seek contact with the Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie and the Nederlandse Genealogische Vereniging (Dutch Genealogical Society) to learn about genealogy first. I guess that is the problem. (Out of my own experience I know you have to learn genealogy) Night of the Big Wind  talk  08:34, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but I get the impression this is a newbie whose enthusiasm far outweighs his Wikipedia clue-factor, and with appropriate guidance could become a productive editor (if that's really what he wants to do rather than just envisioning WP as just another forum for his genealogical pursuits). Either way, the article is dead in the water. Agricolae (talk) 16:06, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
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