Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nobody Loved You (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours. Star  Mississippi  19:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Nobody Loved You
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Doesn't satisfy WP:NSONG, just as it didn't satisfy it in 2015. Restore Redirect to This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours. Muhandes (talk) 15:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Muhandes (talk) 15:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect as explained seems ok, there appears to be no critical notice of the song otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP - this single stands out as one of only 2 ever released exclusively in Japan. The discography is also incomplete without it. Also, there is an article and a discog template entry for Further Away and Life Becoming A Landside EP and these have never been nominated for deletion. So, by the same logic - both Nobody Loved You and the Know Our B-Sides EP should both be kept. This track isn't some unofficial, non-authorized 12" whitelabel, it's an officially released single - but according to some Wikipedians, it doesn't count because it was only released in Japan. Should we remove the tracklistings of the Japanese album versions because they don't count too? Finally, Wikipedia specifically aims to not solely focus on the English speaking world as reiterated in.
 * Finally, as per Notability (music), "Specific to recordings, a recording may be notable if it meets at least one of these criteria: The recording has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it.". This has been satisfied because it appears on reputable Japanese sites. Furthermore, "the recording has appeared on any country's music chart". This single has, so it has satisfied two conditions where only one is required for notability.
 * the Japan only single (as this is) - Further Away also has an article but has never been nominated for deletion? Apeholder (talk) 15:44, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

— Note to closing admin: Apeholder (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * That would help notability, if we have sourcing that talks about it. Oaktree b (talk) 16:20, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * We do, not only that but Notability_(music) states: "That a single is an officially released recording by a notable musician or ensemble is not by itself reason for a standalone article." It clearly is because we have every other one of their singles on here, but for some reason this one is different because it was released in Japan? Nobody has been able to explain this to me so far, I'm really interested to hear why it's different Apeholder (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with Japan and everything to do with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Muhandes (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It's also nothing to do with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - the examples given all take unrelated articles as justification for an article to stay up. The existence of Further Away shows this EXACT type of article exists already, not similar or totally unrelated as your example shows, but the EXACT same. The fact you offered this as a counter argument suggests you are either being very disingenuous or don't know the first thing about the subject matter. Also, have you noticed how I'm giving you extensive replies, and yours are pretty much one-liners with stuff that's not even relevant? So far you have said things that are clearly false and other things totally unrelated. Apeholder (talk) 18:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect: Does not appear to pass WP:NSONGS. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:31, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

— 109.78.147.104 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Relisting comment: Whether the singular !vote from the IP is included or not (as it's made few edits outside this discussion and page), there's still no consensus. Relisting for more input. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti*Let's talk!* 12:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
 * KEEP if the other single is also the same thing as this single is, then why is that somehow accepted but this isn't? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.147.104 (talk) 13:20, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours. The first seven sources currently in the article are product and information listings. The eighth is a list of the band's best songs, but this song is not listed. The ninth is link to their Sony Music Japan biography. Plus, this single failed to chart at all. It does not merit a separate article. ✗  plicit  13:30, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


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