Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noel B. Salazar


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The result was   delete. Fails WP:PROF. Jayjg (talk) 01:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Noel B. Salazar

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Article is about a non-notable academic. Published articles/books do not indicate notability. There are zero third-party independent sources to establish his notability. Fails WP:PROF, WP:ACADEMIC and WP:PROFESSOR criteria. Reads like a CV. Subaculture (talk) 17:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  --  Beloved  Freak  18:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Marie Curie Fellowship winner, think tank work, volume of scholarship, plenty of sources. Bearian (talk) 00:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I haven't looked into any other potential sources of notability yet, but must point out that the Marie Curie Fellowship is not nearly enough to confer notability, as it is a grant available for researchers at the pre-doctoral level. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Postdoc with no sign of passing WP:PROF. The article is filled with references, but to the extent they talk about Salazar at all they mostly say things like "he is a postdoc at such-and-such an institute". The fellowship is certainly not enough for WP:PROF #2. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:47, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm the person who created this page (which is not about myself but about my academic supervisor). I wanted to clarify myself because some of the comments here are based on (understandable) misconceptions. The EU Marie Curie program confers many different types of grants. My supervisor won a Marie Curie International Reintegration Grant (only for Ph.D. holders). This is totally different from the more common pre-doctoral Marie Curie schemes. I'd agree, however, that winning this grant is certainly not Dr. Salazar's biggest achievement. The "postdoc" title carries different weights in different countries. In contrast with the anglosaxon system, in Belgian academia one can be in a postdoc function for 9 years (similar to the title "Assistant Professor") before becoming a fully tenured professor. Looking at the criteria outlined in WP:PROF, Dr. Salazar fits the criteria 4 (if needed, I can include a list of institutions across the world where we know that his writings and theoretical frameworks are being used) and 7 (Dr. Salazar is having quite an impact in the realm of tourism policy and his role as consultant, among others for UNWTO and UNESCO, only confirms this). Of course, I know the person in question and I must say that I'm duly impressed with what this scholar has already realized... Mundomundi (talk) 20:43, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. There's no need to invoke any difference in academic systems here. It is very rare for any assistant professor in the US system (which is different from the English system, so I don't know what you mean by "anglosaxon system") or the equivalent elsewhere to be found to be notable. It would usually take some exceptional ground-breaking research, or separate notability outside academia, for this to happen. Phil Bridger (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. GS cites do not indicate notability. It has been remarked before that it is unwise for students to write about their academic supervisors as it may expose the latter to embarassment. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Comment. It exposes the former to even more embarrassment, as it makes them appear sycophantic and incapable of the independent thought that being a university student is supposed to be about. Phil Bridger (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
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