Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noel Conway (Lecturer)


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The result was merge to Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom.  Sandstein  10:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Noel Conway (Lecturer)

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This seems like a case of WP:ONEEVENT. Additionally, the article's creator appears to be a single-purpose account focusing on pro-assisted suicide individuals and organizations in the UK. Rosguill talk 19:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My opinions on notability are given here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hzh#Noel_Conway_(Lecturer) . In regards, to SPA, I believe my edits to be written from a neutral point of view with adequate references. Jdee4 (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. However, It's not clear from the comments you linked that Conway is notable enough to merit a biography. From reviewing the articles you cited for comparison, it seems like it may be better to have a single article about terminally ill patients campaigning for legal assisted suicide in the UK, and merge the existing articles to there instead of having multiple WP:PSEUDO biographies for people notable for single events. Rosguill talk 21:30, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a list of assisted dying advocates here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_the_United_Kingdom#Assisted_dying_advocates . I suppose this section could be changed from a list to include the existing content from other pages. On a wider note, there's a distinction between assisted suicide and euthanasia so maybe a new page of Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom is warranted for this, so that content can be shifted over from the less relevant page Euthanasia in the United Kingdom? Jdee4 (talk) 22:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Either of those proposals sound ok to me. Rosguill talk 23:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


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 * Keep or Merge/Redirect to an article about assisted dying (or suicide) cases (I'm open to what others decide is the best target. I suggest you all make your !votes for the merge target easy for the closer to find.  I believe you have agreed to Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom) -- independent WP:RS in BBC (multiple times), Guardian, The Times, and The Independent.  Because it appears these articles are all over one event, merge might be better.  --David Tornheim (talk) 00:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC) [add 03:24, 25 September 2018 (UTC)]
 * Just a note that something or someone being in the news does not necessarily make them notable because, per WP:NOTNEWS, in Wikipedia and the  is something that needs to be considered.  As it is, I don't think the subject has enough enduring notability to qualify for an article, although that may change depending on what happens in the Supreme Court. A redirect or selective merge to another article might be the best option, although I'd be interested to see which article it can be redirected/merged into first.  Hzh (talk) 01:28, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If consensus is to merge, the content could be moved to Euthanasia_in_the_United_Kingdom, or preferably to a similar section in a more relevant new article of Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom. On terminology though, there's some debate as to whether "assisted suicide" (the term favoured by opponents) or "assisted dying" (the term favoured by proponents and the media) should be used, so any input on this point would also be useful. Jdee4 (talk) 10:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to either suggestion. The only concern would be that a large part of the Euthanasia in the United Kingdom is about "assisted suicide", therefore they might be signficant duplication. However, if you feel that there is enough material, you can trim the assisted suicide part in the Euthanasia article and expand it into its own article. It would be helpful to give a clear explanation of the distinction between the two in both articles. The Euthanasia in the United Kingdom article itself can probably be expanded. As for whether you call it "assisted dying" or "assisted suicide", that is something you can decide later (the name can be changed if there is a need to change). Personally I don't see how assisted dying is different from euthanasia, given that the word "dying" does not imply the voluntary nature of death you'd find in "suicide". However, I don't know much about the issue and can't make any definite statement about it. Hzh (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * In general, assisted dying is used as a synonym of assisted suicide, usually in the context of a physician's prescription of drugs to a patient, so even though the terminology sounds compatible with euthanasia, I don't believe it is. As you say, most of the content in Euthanasia in the United Kingdom currently refers to assisted dying/suicide; moving this off to a new article is possible as there should be enough content, especially if it is decided to move the existing biography content from assisted dying advocate articles there too. This might leave Euthanasia in the United Kingdom a bit light on content, but that's reflective of the relative lack of debate and legal activity on the issue versus assisted dying. I can certainly add a note to describe the distinction between the two. Jdee4 (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * One way to decide which title to use is to see how often each one is used, for example it would seem that "assisted suicide" (482,000 hits ) is far more commmon than "assisted dying" (51,000 hits ) in Google Books, although in Britain, there has been a shift towards "assisted dying" in web search, but overall "assisted suicide" is still preferred. It suggests that for now "assisted suicide" should be used, but it may change in the future.  How the term as well as any other alternate terms are used should be explained (with source of course) in the article, and use it with some consistency (except where it is the title of a specific proposal).  At the moment the article Euthanasia in the United Kingdom is poor, for example I have no idea why King George V is mentioned under the section on assisted suicide, and I don't know why the important case of Tony Bland is only mentioned in passing, again under assisted suicide when neither of them are suicide. I would also suggest that if a new Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom is created, those people involved in court cases should be separated out into a different section on its legal history in the UK. Note that if you move the content to a new article, you should leave behind a good summary of the content, and linked it as the main article in the section. Hzh (talk) 09:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I've extensively refactored Euthanasia in the United Kingdom so that the content on assisted suicide and euthanasia is distinct. I've also added a note to distinguish euthanasia vs assisted suicide vs assisted dying. I'll move the sections on assisted suicide and assisted dying advocates to Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom now if there are no objections. Jdee4 (talk) 14:20, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no objection. I'll vote to merge the article to Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom. The article Euthanasia in the United Kingdom itself can also be expanded after splittng as there are more to be added to the article. Hzh (talk) 11:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom created. Jdee4 (talk) 13:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

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 * Merge to Assisted suicide in the United Kingdom when created, see discussion above. Hzh (talk) 11:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  01:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


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