Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noel Ginsburg


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The result was delete. as usual in this situation  DGG ( talk ) 10:28, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Noel Ginsburg

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Fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:Politician and Biographies of living persons and potentially WP:Promotion - Self-Promotional, as Noel Ginsburg Headshot, the headshot of Noel Ginsburg, is credited as Own Work, and the author being Noel Ginsburg. Wasn't sure if deletion would be the correct decision, so I didn't immediately propose it for deletion and am putting it on AfD for comments. Cyali (talk) 07:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: The article is about a recently announced Colorado candidate for Governor and contains 22 references in order to meet WP:GNG, WP:Politician and Biographies of living persons. More references will be added as more news coverage develops. Atxscholar (talk) 23:05, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply: If more references will be added later to demonstrate the notability of the individual in question, then you can create the article later. As well, being a candidate does not necessarily mean that Noel is noteworthy. Right now, the question is whether or not Noel is currently notable. As well, having a higher quantity of references does not demonstrate notability. A person could have a hundred sources from irrelevant mentions in the media and involvement in random events, and they would still be largely non-notable. Cyali (talk) 04:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Side-Note: Please note revision on Commons by User:Atxscholar, changing |author=[Noel Ginsburg] |author=[User:Atxscholar|Noel for Colorado], further indicating the potential for WP:Promotion Cyali (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Reply: Please note Colorado gubernatorial election, 2018. All candidates listed have corresponding Wikipedia pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atxscholar (talk • contribs) 07:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Reply: Once again, running as a candidate does not entitle individuals to their own Wikipedia article. I quote number 3 of WP:Politician: "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability". Using the fact that other candidates have their own Wikipedia article does not further the notability of Noel Ginsburg. The notability of other candidates does not equivocate to the notability of Noel. I am concerned you have not read the three linked policies. As well, I will note that the other candidates listed in the article linked have held higher office, and therefore already qualify in terms of notability. Anybody can ultimately run to be governor, but it does not mean that that they are notable. If I ran for governor of Colorado in the Democratic Primaries, does that automatically qualify me for a Wikipedia article even if I have no press coverage, am largely ignored by the media and am only mentioned in passing in a few small trade journals? Cyali (talk) 11:14, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, not all of the candidates listed in the 2018 election article have their own separate articles — and of the ones who do, every last one of them has already held another WP:NPOL-passing office, such as the state legislature, the US Congress or the lieutenant-governorship. Nobody bluelinked in that article has a standalone BLP because candidate in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:40, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. Not seeing significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. Also fails WP:NPOV. Being used as vehicle for promotion. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 18:53, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Candidates for office do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, especially when they're only candidates in a primary. Wikipedia is not a free webhost for campaign brochures about political hopefuls — with extremely rare exceptions for candidates who can make a strong claim to passing GNG for the sheer depth and breadth of coverage, a person has to have held a notable political office, not merely have run for one, to get an article on the basis of their political activity. And the referencing here is based almost entirely on primary and unreliable sources, with the legitimate sources not being substantive or numerous enough to show preexisting notability for other reasons independent of his candidacy (which is the only other way for a candidate to get a Wikipedia article before he wins the election.) We do not preemptively create articles about people who might garner more coverage in the future — we wait until GNG has already been met before we start the article. So no prejudice against recreation in 2018 if he wins the governorship, but nothing here already gets him an article today. Bearcat (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Delete under both WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. If he wins a primary for an election two years away, then he will certainly become notable.  If he even makes significant impact in the primary, he will likely become notable.  Mere announcement of candidacy for a (relatively) distant election, however, does not connote notability.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:15, 31 December 2016 (UTC)


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