Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noir Fleurir


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Noir Fleurir

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Article fails WP:V and WP:MUSIC. - Cyrus XIII 22:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC) Actually, look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_visual_kei_bands/ It appears there's something like a project going on that lists profiles of these bands, all with minimal references. Are all these to be deleted, or should we add to the list? Pkeets 19:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: I don't think it does. There is a nice reference here, albeit ('artfully', I think) uncapitalised. There is an (automatically translated) Chinese article here, which is an excellent source. Dunno if this French source means anything, but I am guessing they are big in Japan, judging from Japanese pages in the search and this from the Japanese Wikipedia, not to mention the fact that there is an article on the Finnish Wikipedia, and the Dutch one! There is a very nice review here and another Chinese article here. I am getting the impression that these guys are internationally famous, but I may well be wrong. J Milburn 22:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Notability and verifiability cannot be established with unreliable sources and (equally source-lacking) coverage by other-language Wikipedias. - Cyrus XIII 22:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Of course, I agree that the other Wikipedia's are useless sources, I was just trying to demonstrate that this band seems to have an international following. The other sources don't look so bad to me- are they all unreliable? J Milburn 22:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'd say none of them qualifies per WP:RS. - Cyrus XIII 22:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: There were others, but I will leave it up to other editors to find them or make their own judgement on the batch I found. I didn't exactly review them in depth. J Milburn 23:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC.-- Bryson { Talk } { Edits } 02:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: There seems to be enough out there in the Internet to justify keeping it for the record. Sadly, it is very poorly written, and if kept, I'll take a crack at fixing it.  I won't waste my time for a week or two, until after this discussion.  Bearian 00:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep These Visual kei bands are an interesting element of modern Japanese culture and I'd like to see them represented for the Japan project. There are also a couple others under consideration for deletion: Missalina Rei and Aliene Ma'riage.  Elsewhere, there's been a proposal to combine these into a single article on say, the Enamel or Key Party labels or something similar. If I can come up with enough information and proper references, I may consider working on that.Pkeets 03:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * " I am getting the impression that these guys are internationally famous, but I may well be wrong." I'm getting the idea they (along with others of the genre) have something of a cult status.  They're one of a number of indie bands out of Japan with an approach that looks to derive from Kabuki and No. Interesting, eh? Pkeets 03:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Pkeets, I am getting the impression you are pretty big on Japanese culture- if you speak Japanese/are familiar with Japanese media, do you think you could have a look for some decent sources in Japanese? J Milburn 12:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * A few years back I was very interested in Japanese culture, but I've gotten away from it. I speak a bit of Japanese, but don't read it.  I asked around and some folks here who do read it say there aren't any good references online and that we need copies of the music magazines from around that time which covered the bands quite often.  However, I have no access to these.  It would take a long-time fan or someone living in Japan who could find them in say, a library.  Would there be support for merging these articles with the one on Visual kei, maybe? Pkeets 19:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are a lot of List of [genre] bands type articles about, list of visual kei bands (which I presume is the article you meant to link to) is just one of them. I certainly wouldn't support merging a large number of articles about non-notable subjects into one, I think that is a very poor idea, as it effectively lowers our notability criteria. J Milburn 20:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


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