Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokia E7-00


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Nokia E7-00

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Delete. Advertising/promotional article about a company product that is currently in development and not yet released. The announcement of the product was just made in September 2010. No independent references provided to establish notability through significant sources. WP:CRYSTAL. Cindamuse (talk) 09:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: more sources can be found under the name Nokia E7 Andries (talk) 10:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Can you add some references culled from reliable sources that are independent of the subject? An independent source is a point of media or publication which describes a topic from a disinterested perspective. Media publications and advertisements presented on behalf of manufacturers, companies, and commercial outlets that benefit from the sale of the product are not considered independent. These published announcements and advertisements are established affiliates of the subject and are not considered reliable. Most of the sources that I find from a search, relate to parties with an affiliated, direct interest in the subject and are therefore, not independent. I am concerned about the promotional nature of this article. Wikipedia is not the place to advertise products which have not yet been released. That said, if you can locate significant coverage, reflected in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, I would be happy to retract the nomination. Best regards, Cindamuse (talk) 10:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Allaboutsymbian seems to be independent. It has a corresponding disclaimer at the bottom. Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Yeah, Allaboutsymbian is a blog, which is considered an unreliable source. Cindamuse (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I do not think that Allaboutsymbian is a blog, though it has aspects of a fansite. Andries (talk) 12:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure whether allaboutsymbian (all about symbian) is a truly reliable source. The website is clearly very knowledgeable and write in depth reviews, but it also has a pro symbian bias. Andries (talk) 11:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep First page of Google results has   from sources widely considered reliable (TechRadar is (one of?) the web outlet(s) of tech news publisher Future plc, the other two should be familiar). Whether this should be moved to Nokia E7 I'm happy to leave to those who have an opinion on it.  Papa Lima Whiskey  (talk) 11:01, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There was some confusion over recent Nokia products e.g. with Nokia C6, Nokia C3 and Nokia X3, so that is why I prefer it to have the article stay at Nokia E7-00, instead of Nokia E7. Andries (talk) 11:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think I saw somewhere that the article was originally at Nokia E7 and was moved according to consensus. (Look for sources that are not blogs.) I have looked for reliable, independent references but have come up empty. That said, I will keep looking. Other editors will weigh in with their recommendations to keep. Don't let the process discourage you. Cindamuse (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Here is one in the Netherlands' most prestigious newspaper NRC Handelsblad google translate from Dutch newspaper It does not make so much difference if the article is userfied, because everything indicates that more reliable sources will follow. Andries (talk) 11:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, I admit that there are not (yet) many independent reliable sources, but one can expect them to be coming, because this is together with the Nokia N8 a flagship product from the world's largest mobile phone brand. This article is not WP:CRYSTAL, because the product has already been announced and shown to the press. Besides detailed specs can be found at the company's website. If this article is deleted then please userfy before deletion. Andries (talk) 11:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a catalog or a directory of gadgets which a crystal ball says will have multiple instances of significant coverage independent and reliable sources "real soon." Edison (talk) 03:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, It's too early to talk about deletion of this article. It's brand new. It's still developing. It's about flagship business model from world's largest mobile phone brand. E7 is continuation of Nokia E90. E7 is comparable to phones like iPhone which are totally accepted in Wikipedia. Besides there are articles about Nokia C6-01 and Nokia C7 and those aren't on articles for deletion list despite the fact that those are quite similar articles. It's about probably most influential Symbian^3 phone which is coming out. Nokia N8 is for home consumers while E7 for professionals. These phones form a pair. I think there are enough reliable sources to support the article. Also most certainly this is not WP:CRYSTAL because product exists. It has been announced and fully functional device has been shown to the press (ie. Nokia E7 Hands-on). I strongly think that E7 article has it's place in Wikipedia. --Mikitei (talk) 08:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, articles about upcoming phones can exist in Wikipedia (exempli gratia T-Mobile G2). Comment:Move it to Nokia E7 because we have no idea whether Nokia E7-01 will exist. --116.49.64.162 (talk) 13:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment.Leave it as Nokia E7-00 as that's the product's official name. And I agree, articles about upcoming phones (especially announced and demoed phones) can exist in Wikipedia. Antonyh3 (talk) 10:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, There are plenty of other articles about unreleased devices. I think the line should only drawn at unannounced and/or (un)leaked phones. The E7 was demonstrated at Nokia World, so this would not fall under those categories. 68.33.48.100 (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, As per all above - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 12:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
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