Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokia N91

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. &mdash; Xezbeth 09:25, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Nokia N91
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. It is not a place for advertising. RickK 23:22, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete. I agree on the principle that Wiki is not a place for advertising but I still see other products being featured on Wikipedia! An example is this List of Nokia products including links to Nokia products. However, I vote for deleting Nokia N91 on the basis that it is still a project as the article itself claims. Svest 23:39, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Encyclopedic subject.  BBC covers it, even quotes a Gartner market analyst on it, and so should we. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:05, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge all Nokia products onto one Nokia page. Avoids needless repetition of common features. -- 8^D gab 01:19, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)
 * Delete. It might be encyclopedic when the product is released, though probably as part of a larger article. In any case, the crystal ball rule says that it doesn't appear on Wikipedia until its an actual product. ---Isaac R 02:22, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no consensus on such a rule. See Windows Longhorn (no fixed delivery date now, originally planned for 2006, now expected sometime 2006, more likely 2007) and Windows Blackcomb (announced February 2000, has every appearance of being true vaporware). --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:31, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable cellphone, worthy of having its own article. Klonimus 02:34, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable product to be released shortly. The crystal ball rule should be used with caution and should not apply to things that are likely to be successful when released. Besides, there are things that can be reasonably said about it now. Capitalistroadster 04:20, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * As well, 240 Google News results shows that there is already considerable interest in this product. Capitalistroadster 04:23, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I do not get the logic of those that are in favor of deleting this. It is like saying we should have deleted Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith before it is released because it is still in production. Zzyzx11 | Talk 04:27, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * By the way, I tried to make it a little more NPOV by adding what I read in this article on CNN.com saying that Nokia is hoping this product will help them outsell iPods. Zzyzx11 | Talk 04:38, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, and cleanup. Sufficient notability. Megan1967 05:11, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Saying we should delete all products as adverts is like saying we should delete all films as adverts. Or maybe merge all productions of Paramount pictures to one article. If the product is notable enough or novel enough (as this one appears to be), rather than a minor incremental improvement on a previous model, then it would be worthy of an article. Average Earthman 09:12, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Nokia products. Radiant_* 11:01, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)


 * 'keep please Yuckfoo 16:55, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Roodog2k 16:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * delete or merge somehow --- as per the Crystal Ball Rule Roodog2k 16:58, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) Roodog2k 16:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Crystal ball is incorrect, this product has been released (as of 27th of April). It's like calling an article referring to the Hitchhiker's Guide movie 'crystal ball'. Average Earthman 23:21, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * According to the article, it indicates release at the of the year, which is what I based my vote on. If its considered released now, thats a different matter entirely.  For the record, I invoked the crystal ball rule,based on "unless they are as predictable as an astronomical event, or unless planning or preparation for the event is already in progress and the preparation itself merits encyclopedic inclusion."  Release of a product from a company is not as predictable as an astronimical event, but may or may not be notable.  An operating system update used by many, mnay, millions or a movie based on a book read by many, many, millions would certainly be notable.  I'm not sure how notible a future release of a cell phone may be... So, since its out, its out. IXNAY on the crystal ball, OBE. KEEP


 * Keep, concur with Average Earthman. Kappa 17:47, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just a note about the crystal ball rule: it shouldn't be applied in all cases of this kind of stuff.  As noted earlier in this discussion, some vaporware is notable (*cough* Duke Nukem Forever *cough*), and other projects that are still projects have articles on here (such as Windows Longhorn and Windows Blackcomb). --Idont Havaname 00:17, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


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