Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokturnal Mortum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Regardless of the somewhat subjective "prominent representatives" criterion, the band satisfies the Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels" requirement. (non-admin closure) MacMedtalk stalk 04:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Nokturnal Mortum

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Non-notable band; information is sourced to obscure websites and online fanzines. Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  22:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. But actually: 1, 2, 3. Don't nominate an article just because its sourcing is crappy. Take the few seconds required to actually run a few searches. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 23:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * reply - on examination, most of those Google results, etc. are passing mentions of this band as one of the neo-nazi/pagan/satanic bands arising in modern post-Soviet Europe. They do not constitute the requisite substantial coverage. I don't consider the existence of an allmusic.com listing sufficient to meet WP:BAND. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  01:13, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Would "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city" or "Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels" be applicable here? --Львівське (talk) 02:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * From Unheilige Allianzen, a German book used extensively as a source for the National Socialist black metal article: "Nokturnal Mortum sind sicherlich das prominenteste Beispiel des neonazistischen Underground in der Ukraine": Nokturnal Mortum are surely the most prominent example of the neo-Nazi underground in Ukraine. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 12:09, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * At some point, "most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene" can be taken too far. If this qualifies as "the most prominent example of the neo-Nazi underground in Ukraine", then the next step is "best-known 1970s proto-punk band in metropolitan Jackson, Tennessee" or "most prominent unsigned student band at CVR College of Engineering". -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Jackson, Tennessee is a city. Ukraine is a country. (Also, they have a Rockabilly Hall of Fame in Jackson). (Also also I have no opinion on this AfD as I don't know much about this topic).Volunteer Marek (talk) 17:31, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Marek has an excellent point. Your own POV of the worthiness of the Ukrainian music scene aside, the quote I provided pretty much satisfies "Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city" from WP:NMUSIC. Furthermore, NM put out 4 albums (including re-releases) while signed to The End Records, a fairly prominent indie label, thus satisfying the NMUSIC "Has released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels" criterion. Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 23:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ukraine-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep on the basis that their fairly comprehensive Allmusic biography is a reliable source that describes the band as "one of the first significant heavy metal bands to emerge out of the Ukraine following the fracture of the Soviet Union". Further reliable sources would, of course, strengthen the arguments for keeping, but I feel they just about scrape over the bar set at WP:BAND. --sparkl!sm  hey! 08:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:MUSIC with multiple releases on notable labels, including The End Records and Nuclear Blast. The sourcing is appalling, but that is no reason to delete. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 07:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.