Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-disney villains


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The result was SNOW delete.  Jclemens (talk) 07:07, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Non-disney villains

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A list of "lovable" cartoon villains whose defining characteristic is not having appeared in a Disney movie. Not notable or significant as a concept (though the 66 Google hits are frankly more than I expected). Speedy declined and PROD contested.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 17:32, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable, too wide cross-categorization and unlikely search term. Negative definition is no definition. "Non-Disney" villains? Might as well write "list of popular plays not written by Shakespeare", or "pets that aren't cats".--137.122.49.102 (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete....my first thought is "WTF"...how is being a "non-disney" villain any sort of valid defining characteristic? Not being a Disney villain is common. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 18:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 18:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 18:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Unencyclopedic categorization of exclusion. Fails notability and not an indiscriminate collection of information. The recentism of the list could be fixed by adding older cartoon villains such as Wile E. Coyote from the Roadrunner cartoons, Bluto from Popeye the Sailor, "Dr. Claw" from Inspector Gadget, "Gargamel" from the Smurfs, "Dishonest John" from Beany and Cecil," "Dudley Nightshade" from Crusader Rabbit, and "Crabby Appleton" from Tom Terrific, but it would still be a bizarre partitioning of the cartoon villain universe. (See comment following).Edison (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment A look should also be taken at Disney Villains, which might have inspired this article. Why does that list get a pass without an AFD? Most of the characters in this article direct to the article about the cartoon rather than an article about the character. The lone exception is Lord Farquaad, but he does not show up in any category of "Cartoon villains," just as a "Shrek character," a "fictional character with dwarfism," "fictional nobility" and "2001 introductions." There should probably be a category of "Cartoon villains" who could be then subcategorized into "Disney cartoon villains," Warner Brothers Cartoon villains," etc, rather than "Disney" and "non-Disney," as if they divided the cartoon world into equal parts. The Bluto character from Popeye, not listed here (recentism?), could be in the "Fleischer Studios cartoon villains subcat. Bluto is not in any cartoon character category, just fictional character categories. Edison (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as an unwieldy list with an far-too-broad criteria for inclusion. Certainly if the villians listed can be sourced, they would best be written of in the various articles for this broad range of disparate films.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete Disney villains is a reasonably well defined list. this one is not. Possibly such an article could be constructed if there were sources, which there might possibly be--but they are not in the article. Since I do not know the sources in this subject, I would not want to rule out the possibility. . (When I declined the speedy--because it fit no speedy category-- I suggested taking it here)   DGG ( talk ) 18:36, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete now this is undefinable (well, definable by exception), with a very arbitrary criterion of "disney-ness" Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete This seems to be structured based on the assumption that there are two types of villains in the world-- Disney villains, and non-Disney villains. I'm considering a career as a non-Disney villain. Mandsford (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as pointless Wp:LISTCRUFT. There are plenty of cartoon villians that weren't created by Disney (also - do computer created cartoons - like Shrek - count?). DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  23:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I see that they do. (Also, why no entries for those aliens from Space Jam or Team Rocket?) DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) | (talk to me) | (What I've done)  23:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete, per Edison: could be improved by including less recent cartoon villains, but would still be indiscriminate. I don't see the point of this list, and doubt there is a reliable source for the "non-Disney villain" genre as a whole (though obviously articles on specific non-Disney villains can be sourced). Few Google hits (I get 17), and nothing appearing to be scholarly. Firsfron of Ronchester  04:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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