Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-game


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 03:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Non-game

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Non-notable invented video game genre based on one line from one speech a Nintendo executive gave in 2005. Tons of Google hits for "non-game", although the vast majority are just to explain things that are literally not games (i.e. "favorite non-game apps" or "non-game usage on PS3"), 10% seems to be about Fish & Wildlife, and the few remaining are blogs and download sites using the phrase in the current context. Seeing as how this article has been up since 2007, it's no surprise that some people have started treating this like a real genre. There are certainly not enough real reliable sources to justify inventing this genre, and the longer it is up, the longer people are going to take it seriously.

Curiously, the article was written first on DE by a German SPA (de:Spezial:Beiträge/Klaus1000) who then translated the article and posted it here, and never touched another thing since 2007. I don't think this really has any bearing, I'm just pointing it out as it seems odd. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  10:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC) ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  10:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Keep - While there are certainly concerns about the uniqueness of the term's usage and the reliability of one of the major sources, I believe IGN is a reliable source and uses the term non-game in at least three of its article titles (including the one cited, from 2006). The term is also seen peppered across the Google search including as a category at Games For Work. It's not very popular as a term, but it's unfair to say that a single editor invented it. I say it's notable enough to keep. Theinactivist (talk • contribs) 11:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * They use it in many titles (see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aign.com+intitle%3A%22non-game%22) to refer to things that, as I said, are not games. Square Enix goes non-game - meaning that they are releasing things that aren't games. Read what the Wikipedia article is about, it is about a specific concept, a genre of games without gaming qualities. The articles you mention are simply about things that are not games. We can keep the article as a dictionary definition of an item that is "literally not a game", but I think that is rather what Wikitionary is for. Besides, even if the articles were using the words in this context (which they aren't), using a phrase over and over isn't significant coverage, it's simply repetition. They use the phrase "and then" 2000x more in article titles (http://www.google.com/search?q=site:ign.com+intitle:%22and+then%22), but that doesn't make the word pairing notable. To use the words "non game" together only 54 times in article titles is actually rather low for a video game site, and still they aren't talking about the same thing as the topic of WP's article. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  12:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 16:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Theinactivist (talk • contribs) 21:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Change the fist sentence to read "is software used for entertainment purposes but not considered a game" (or something similar), scrap the dissertation, and use it to describe things that are not games. Are you arguing that "non-game" is a neologism?  I thought at first you were just saying it's not notable.Theinactivist (talk • contribs) 21:36, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I forgot about that word. I am not saying that these types of programs are not existent or not popular or whatever, just that this grouping of these programs with this phrase is an invented genre. ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  22:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Read the article, this a real thing, getting coverage. If a better term for it comes up, then rename it of course.   D r e a m Focus  22:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: If this is kept, rename to Non-game (software). Most people, upon seeing "non-game", will think Fish and Wildlife. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep if the focus is narrowed (and perhaps renamed) to non-game programs on gaming platforms. Obviously most PC software are not games.BigJim707 (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.