Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nonestica


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Land of Oz. Star  Mississippi  02:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Nonestica

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No reliable third-party sources to meet WP:NOTABILITY. There wasn't anything significant when checking WP:BEFORE that wasn't in-universe details. Primary research isn't enough, and nor are officially authorized guides. (The Land of Oz would meet our policies but this does not.) Jontesta (talk) 00:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  11:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 00:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails GNG, plus is just an exhaustive list of unimportant in-universe things that doesn't really belong in an article.  ~XyNq tc 14:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Let this page stay. This serves as the main location of L. Frank Baum's franchise with the Land of Oz being one of the notable locations. Also, Phreex currently redirects to Nonestica last I checked and where would it be redirected to if the outcome is delete. --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Land_of_Oz which arguably needs WP:TNT approach or similar, but one problem at a time. One article about a fictional universe is generally enough, very few fictional worlds have received significant coverage sufficient to have a dedicated geography article (or several), and sourcing here does not suggest this is the case. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Baum used this setting for many of his literary works besides the Oz books, so it warrants a separate article. Cf. other examples of separate articles for fictional countries as well as their larger settings: The Shire and Middle-earth or Ankh-Morpork and Discworld (world). Or perhaps Rename to "Nonestic Ocean" since many of the references are to islands, and that is a name that Baum himself used. Goustien (talk) 16:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Land_of_Oz per Piotrus - While Oz may only have been a single "country" on the landmass, it is by and far the most notable, and thus its article would be the proper place to have a brief discussion of the overall setting. Neither of the Keep arguments above address the fact that there are basically no viable sources in the article to indicate independent notability, and the vast bulk of this article is trivial, unsourced plot information. There is also the fact that, as the article even states, the name has never been an "official" name for the landmass, and Baum never used the term. The section in Land_of_Oz similarly notes that this is an "unofficial" fan term for the location. Rorshacma (talk) 00:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and/or redirect per Rorshacma. People arguing to preserve the content can't verify any of it, and this topic doesn't meet the WP:GNG. If someone thought the Land of Oz was a valid redirect target, I think there's enough of a relationship here. Shooterwalker (talk) 14:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.