Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noppol Sankapong


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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 14:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Noppol Sankapong

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Since the previous article has been deleted via PROD, PROD is improper. said: No reference support this article I think this article fails WP:GNG. So I nominated this AfD, thanks! Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 12:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 17:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Essentially a BLPPROD in its current state anyway. Needs sourcing to categorically show he at least passes NFOOTY. Fenix down (talk) 12:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note - Article was created in 2009 when the player was with Nakhon Pathom FC while the team was in the fully professional Thai Premier League. We will need a source to show a match played, but this isn't as blatant violation of WP:NFOOTY as it looks. Its just a poorly sourced article that if we can find some Thailand league match data, we would be able to properly source. The issue is sources will be from 9 years ago, and nearly all of them will be in Thai. WikiVirusC (talk) 17:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Strong delete It is high time we moved beyond the absurd claim that as long as we can show participation in one fully professional game a footballer is notable. That is just plain absurd. We do not say every faculty member at any university is notable. That is still probably a more restrictive criteria than our absurd criteria for footballer notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That is something that would need a discussion to change on notability for footballers and a lot of sports which have the same or similar criteria. WikiVirusC (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: As I mentioned in a recent AfD (and this applies to all the current Thai footballer AfDs as well), while these players do appear to meet WP:NFOOTY, most of them don't seem to have been covered in-depth beyond routine match reports, and thus would fail the WP:GNG, which takes precedence over WP:NFOOTY. I don't have time right now to look up info for all these AfDs, though, and the fact that these are players from many years ago also complicates things. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't seem to find in-depth match reports for ANY players playing in these games from so long ago. Most sites just have final score for these matches. Not even the goal scorers which you can get from sometimes for old matches. One issue seems to be a lack of internet coverage 10 years ago in Thailand, and majority of sourcing is going to be lost in print media. NFOOTY isn't threre to try and circumvent GNG, but to help with cases like these. This probably isn't a realistic example, but if a player was featured in every sports section for every Thailand paper everyday for a year, but nothing made it onto the internet, 10 years later he would suddenly seem to fail GNG. Outside of players on Thailand national team, virtually none of the players are going to get real coverage outside of Thailand. I can find coverage of some of these players from recent games but they are no longer in FPLs. The biggest issue was several of these articles were created when the players passed NFOOTY, but the sourcing was non-existent or piss poor so NFOOTY or GNG would be hard to prove they passed 10 years later. WikiVirus</b><u style="font-family: Tahoma">C <b style="color:#008000">(talk)</b> 14:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * WikiVirusC, yes, that's why I said it's complicated. Still, there are many active players about whom coverage, if it existed, should be available online, yet searches turn up nothing in-depth in any language. Some previous AfDs have accordingly resulted in deletion, e.g. Articles for deletion/Yosapol Tiangda. I'm quite sure the same could be shown for the majority of Thai footballer stubs (or the more recent ones anyway). Perhaps this is an indication that WP:NFOOTY tends to overevaluate the notability of Thai footballers? I don't at the moment have any suggestions for adjusting the guideline, but if someone wants to discuss the issue further I might be able to provide some comments. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree it's complicated. What I'm saying is that I don't think WP:NFOOTY is over evaluating the notability of the Thai players, I'm saying the lack of sources online is us over evaluating the amount of news from Thailand (and other countries) being posted online. Soccer seems to be popular in Thailand, and they have a 5 tier soccer pyramid which is going to be covered at the very least the top level in newspapers. But if it doesn't make it online, and we don't have anyone with access to Thailand newspapers(10 years ago at that), there's nothing to be said in a AfD since WP:SOURCESMUSTEXIST isn't a valid argument. The only adjustment to the guideline I could think of would be instead of playing in game between any teams from fully professional leagues, change to teams from leagues that are considered the best in the world(which would need defining), or being a major statistical leader for a team in a season in any FPL. While leaving the international team part as is. Even with that proposed change, from sources I have gone though I don't think I could tell you who the scoring/assist leaders for any team in Thailand from those seasons would be. And it would either automatically make every (starting) GK pass the test, or fail the test if you don't count saves as major category. So I'm not suggesting we change the policy to that since it doesn't really help this issue. <b style="color:#000080; font-family:Tahoma">WikiVirus</b><u style="font-family: Tahoma">C <b style="color:#008000">(talk)</b> 14:55, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * If you search for current Thai League players information online, you can find plenty of coverage. I am sure the situation is the same 10 years ago and I searched for players information back then. It's pity that news archival is not in the publisher's mind. When a website redesign their webpage system, the old news are gone. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 16:14, 27 February 2018 (UTC)


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