Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nora Samosir


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Nora Samosir

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Tagged for various things since October 2008, including COI, notability and need for additional citations. Necessary improvements have not been made. لenna vecia  17:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC) 
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Insufficient notability to meet guidelines for inclusion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Even though the article is a big mess, proper copyedit and sandblasting can be done to answer the nom's concerns. Bad that it has not yet been done, but good that in CAN be done so as to improve wiki. There are some things to be found through Google News and her work is in a national archive. She has numerous listings even under a cursory Google search. It will be a pain... but it can be salvaged... and that improves wiki.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 07:58, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Those Google News hits are worthless. Simply having your name mentioned in a cast list doesn't cut it. The archive link is equally as worthless. It's discussing a certain aspect of Singaporean culture, mentioning how a film portrays that culture and simply states that the role of the maid is played by Samosir. From there, the character is discussed, not Samosir. She is not notable, and these are the neglected biographies that are at the highest risk for unreverted libel. لenna  vecia  14:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That a subject may be "neglected" or prone to vandalism may be a reason to be more diligent... but is no reason for deletion. Further, in wiki's continued effort to curb anglo-centric systemic bias, it is important to enlist the assistance of Singapoere Wikipedians, and not simply relegate tis article to the void. Not being a speaker/reader of the non-English languages in that part of the world, I am unable to search the databases in those languages for non-English news sources covering her career as an actress of educator. I am not prepared per WP:AFTER to state without eqivocation that they do not exist.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 15:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * So, your vote is to keep because she may be notable, even though we have no reliable sources indicating that she is? لenna  vecia  15:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My vote to keep is because she is notable. Yours to delete is because she "may not be". The article itself lists over 70 theater productions, 16 television productions, and 3 films, that could themselves be searched for Singapore reviews in any of the many languages used in Singapore. Logic and WP:AGF allow that the non-English reliable sources showing her notability as an accomplished actress, singer, and educator exist... unless a Singapore Wikipedian, qualified to do a proper (and lacking) search per WP:BEFORE tells me they do not. For me to assert "I haven't heard of 'em, so they can't be notable" Or "I cannot find English sources, so she can't be notable" OR "I cannot read the non-English sources, so they must not be notable or reliable" would be the height of hubris. I will not relegate an accomplished artist to the scrap pile simply because I do not speak the languages of Singapore.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 18:44, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


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