Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norbert Grudzinski


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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 09:21, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Norbert Grudzinski

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No evidence of notability, no secondary sources found online or in article. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete a non-notable football referee.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - Referee who has overseen nearly 100 2. Bundesliga matches, and at least one Bundesliga match (replacing the starting referee in the second half). There is some online coverage most of which is routine, but the interview for Otto GmbH and the SWP article probably get us close to GNG-compliance. It appears that Bundesliga referees have a fair amount of coverage, and Grudzinski is on the cusp with most of his appearances as assistant referee. Jogurney (talk) 15:32, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Since he is an employee of Otto, I think we need to discount that coverage, but I found a Die Welt article which is significant coverage and added that as well. Jogurney (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep - meets GNG, nominator has clearly not complied with WP:BEFORE given patently false claims there are no online sources. GiantSnowman 20:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep It's pretty obvious nom did no WP:BEFORE. Several sources have been provided to meet GNG. There are probably more German language sources but I don't speak German. Smartyllama (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Smartyllama, Snowman Please withdraw that remark. I always do WP:BEFORE and did on this occasion.
 * I didn’t say there were no sources at all - clearly there are - but the ones I could find are press releases, interviews and mere passing mentions which do not count towards GNG. I’m happy to stand corrected if you can find anything more substantial. Until then, please remember to assume good faith even if you don’t agree with my viewpoint. WP:AGF Cardiffbear88 (talk) 22:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - appears to be notable. Perhaps in future we should consider referees with years of work in the top 5 to 10 leagues in the world inherently notable. Nfitz (talk) 01:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I could only find that he made a single substitute's appearance as a referee (he has plenty as an assistant) in the Bundesliga, and the sources demonstrating GNG compliance are fairly weak, so I don't think this AfD supports the idea that refereeing in the top 5-10 leagues is inherently notable. Jogurney (talk) 15:19, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:GNG. Wm335td (talk) 21:21, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:GNG per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


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