Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norden High School and Sports College


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Snow keep. Deletion concerns have been addressed. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant    (talk)  22:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Norden High School and Sports College

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Non-notable school, with a advertisement to promote it. Night of the Big Wind talk  13:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  Logan Talk Contributions 13:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  Logan Talk Contributions 13:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What's a "non-notable school"? AIUI, high schools are considered notable by default, so just how much non-notability do we have to demonstrate before an AfD can delete one? I've never understood this - we have a surfeit of bad articles on trivial schools that are yet protected by this policy of assumed notability. I fail to see how this improves the encyclopedia, but there it is.
 * The giant spew of spammy guff is just an editing problem. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There is in fact no official rule that states that secondary schools are always notable. So I am free to challenge the notability of a school conform WP:GNG. As was stated in a recent discussion on WikiProject Schools: Just think how many secondary schools there are in all the countries of the world. It would be quite impossible to try to gauge every single one of them against a notional (and no doubt fairly arbitrary) set of criteria to determine notability. The only practicable solution is to deem all of them notable. For me, that is unacceptable. Night of the Big Wind  talk  14:18, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Official rule"? Sorry, did Wikipedia turn into a bureaucracy overnight? We have no "official rules". We have consensuses. And this is a long-standing example of one. You are perfectly at liberty to "challenge notability", but it's pretty pointless as I can guarantee you won't succeed! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - article is factually correct and has the potential to become much better if content is added. --Bob Re-born (talk) 13:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per precedent for high schools. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Secondary schools are considered to be notable by default. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Show me the official policy on this... Night of the Big Wind  talk  14:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The notability of high schools/secondary schools is not official policy, but a long standing consensus of editors. High school deletion proposals almost always end up with the school being kept. • Gene93k (talk) 14:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * See the following: Articles for deletion/Common outcomes (WP:OUTCOMES), Notability (high schools) (WP:NHS), and finally Schools/Arguments --Bob Re-born (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is also adequately demonstrated by the special mention for schools on every A7 CSD template and without digging  for diffs for dozens of discussions and RfCs on  the subject . Sufficient  UK sources are the government entries at  Edubase and Ofsted. There are literally  thousands of secondary schools in  Wikipedia, some are only  one-line stubs and are kept  as long  as they  are proven to  exist.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It only proofs that nobody dares to challenge an outdated consensus. Night of the Big Wind  talk  15:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a valid argument  for this AfD I'm  afraid. Consensus remains consensus until  it  overruled by  a new consensus. There is no  such  thing  as being 'outdated' just  because you  decide it  is. A recent  debate on  this topic was also  abandoned without  a new consensus to  change the status quo. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Many of us do not believe it to be outdated at all and continue to believe that all secondary schools (and tertiary institutions) are by default notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The nominator initiated yet another discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools when all he achieved was to reinforce the consensus. TerriersFan (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Topic appears to be notable for some top GSCEs, although there's little other information other than that. See this, this, and this — they don't look very professional though the numerous articles (including these) on Google News seems to support its notability.  HurricaneFan 25  14:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Google News search plus Ofsted reports show significant recent coverage in independent reliable sources sufficient to meet WP:GNG, and as a decades-old secondary school in a developed country there are sure to be many more offline sources such as local newspaper archives and council minutes. Qwfp (talk) 14:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep- not only a high school but a Sports College. Sources are available to meet WP:GNG. TerriersFan (talk) 19:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep -- The convention is that all High Schools are notable. The fact that it has a sports specialisation is neither here not there: most state High Schools now have some specialisation, though they do not all include it in their name.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.