Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman F. Douty


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No deletion rationale based on our inclusion guidelines has been provided. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Norman F. Douty

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I don't see any reason why we should have an article on him... BelloWello (talk) 01:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep He meets WP:ACADEMIC as a past president of Cornerstone University. He was also a prolific author. Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Cornerstone is a Christian college that has not even attained regional accreditation. How does that qualify as a "major institution?" BelloWello (talk) 04:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The college has been around for 70 years and has 2,600 students. Many religious institutions do not seek accreditation from secular agencies as a matter of religious principle.  Wikipedia does not require accreditation to consider a college notable, and I oppose deletion of biographies of presidents of notable colleges, past or present. Cullen328 (talk) 05:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't deny the college is "notable," however, I object to calling it a "major institution," which is what the WP:ACADEMIC notability policy requires for it to create notability for its presidents, not simple notability. BelloWello (talk) 20:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We aren't somehow certifying this college as a "major institution" or a minor one for that matter. I am arguing that the college is significant enough that its presidents should be presumed notable.  We don't need to stick to the "letter of the law".  It is just a guideline, though an important one, and my reading of it leads me to recommend keeping this article. Cullen328 (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I certainly understand the skepticism leading to this AfD, but there is now some level of precedent, established mainly by what might be called the "rosh yeshiva" argument (see e.g. recent cases here and here) that even small religious colleges are "major academic institutions". If so, then Cornerstone University qualifies, meaning Douty would be notable as its one-time president. I have argued against this position in the past and still do not agree with it, but am certainly willing to abide by what seems to be an emerging consensus. Thanks, Agricola44 (talk) 15:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.