Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman Maphosa


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The result was Keep

Norman Maphosa

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Being a civil servant (even a high-ranking one) does not guarantee notability in the same way that being an elected representative does, and neither does being a vice-chancellor of a university (chancellor yes, but second fiddle, no). I haven't found enough independent in-depth sources to substantiate a claim of notability under GNG. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Zimbabwe-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 15:34, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. You obviously aren't aware that in most Commonwealth universities, the vice-chancellor is the boss. The chancellor is merely an honorary role usually held by a notable individual from public life. They are wheeled in to present degrees etc, but the VC is the university's actual chief executive and professional head. The "second fiddle" is actually the deputy vice-chancellor or pro-vice-chancellor. I don't know whether Solusi University counts as a "major academic institution" under WP:NACADEMIC, but if it does then Maphosa is certainly notable under those criteria. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I wasn't, but we can certainly leave this open to let the community weigh in on whether Solusi counts as a major institution. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 10:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep -- On looking at the university website, I can find no reference to the university having a Chancellor. I suspect this means that Chancellor is an honorary post, possibly held by someone like the President.  The university website also had an article about a new pro-vice-chancellor in 2015: a professor who had been Dean of Education in another institution.  As a Commonwealth (or is it former Commonwealth) country Zimbabwe is likely to follow British (not American) practice as to what "professor" means.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:20, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MarginalCost (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as vice chancellor (Commonwealth tradition as highest non-honorary office) of a major academic institution per WP:NACADEMIC #6 ("Criterion 6 may be satisfied, for example, if the person has held the post of president or chancellor (or vice-chancellor in countries where this is the top academic post) of a significant accredited college or university"). Solusi is accredited by the Ministry of Education. The Herald (Zimbabwe) ("Established in 1994 and generally acknowledged among the best Zimbabwean universities...The National Council and the Ministry of Higher Education, now Zimche issued a charter establishing Solusi University in July 1994.") and Solusi History ("In 1991, subsequent to the creation by the Zimbabwean Parliament of the National Council for Higher Education, Solusi College submitted an application for establishment as a fully accredited private university. In March 1992, an on-site inspection by members of the National Council, and continuing dialogue of church and college administrators with the National Council and the Ministry of Higher Education led to the gazetting by government, in July 1994, of a charter establishing Solusi University.") [Note: the latter self-published reference cannot itself establish notability but does offer more detail illuminating the first, independent, reference.] 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


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