Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman Paraisy


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The result was   delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 11:46, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Norman Paraisy

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The fighter has fought for two notable events: Bellator and The Ultimate Fighter. However, the fighter never made it past the elimination round on the Ultimate Fighter show, and was sent home; never seen again. As for fighting for Bellator, he was given one fight, which was for the welterweight tournament, he lost in the first round. Bellator released him from the contract and he hasn't fought in a pro fight since then. Not only is he not notable, but the article is a stub. RapidSpin33 (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Keep Again, I disagree. Paraisy is a notable TUF contestant because of what happened in the episode, he's fought in Bellator and has fought some notable names, e.g. Dave Menne. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * He fought in one episode of TUF and fought one time in Bellator, both times, he was a loser. RapidSpin33 (talk) 21:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Winner or loser, he should fought in Bellator and TUF, both fairly high profile in the world of MMA. Also, as you've ignored, he's fought some high profile guys, including Menne. This gives him sufficient notability. Keep Paralympiakos (talk) 00:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Can't any any non trivial coverage for this person. The events he took part in or people he's fought may be notable, that is a long way from making him notable - WP:INHERIT - especially considering he lost. You can imagine he's notable all you want, but without anything to back is up it's a no go. Rehevkor ✉  15:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

What a ridiculous argument. First of all, WP:INHERIT says: "Notability of one or more members of some group or class of subjects may or may not apply to other possible members of that group."

The very fact that this is a valid method of notability means your argument doesn't wash. As he's fought notable names, competed in a notable show and competed in two notable organisations, that means notability. Paralympiakos (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The links are too tenuous to inherit notability in this case. Go find some significant coverage to support the notability instead of clutching at straws. Good luck. Rehevkor ✉  15:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, how am I clutching at straws? Secondly, what's with the bad attitude? Thirdly, why are they tenuous? Paralympiakos (talk) 15:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Fourthly, WP:AGF. Fifthly, I'm not getting into a drawn out discussion. Good luck. Rehevkor ✉  16:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Finally. This ends my discussion here hopefully. I've made my point and if this article is deleted, then that's a shame. Paralympiakos (talk) 16:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Rehevkor ✉  16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete His appearance on a reality show is not enough to prove his notability. He has no wins in notable events or against notable opponents. He has fought one notable fighter, but that's not enough to establish notability.  Perhaps one day he'll be notable, but not yet. Astudent0 (talk) 13:28, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep He's fought in Bellator Fighting Championships, he's fought in M-1 Global which is very notable for all the news with Fedor Emelianenko. He's fought Dave Menne, he's fought Hasegawa; both notable opponents. He's appeared on The Ultimate Fighter, he's had a notable incident on said show. What more do you want? Paralympiakos (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do not !vote multiple times like this, as it is deceptive towards a consensus, I have struck your extraneous "keep"s. As I said before notability is not inherited from these; WP:INHERIT (I suggest you read this properly rather than reading the first paragraph and stopping when you find a sentence you perceive supports your claims) explains that inherited notability is a fallacy, there are exceptions there are documented such as examples in WP:MUSIC, this is not one of those exceptions. Even winning any of the matches or tournaments wouldn't even guarantee notability. There needs to be significant coverage on the individual, which there does not seem to be. Significant coverage is the key phrase here, it's your call to prove notability, and this cannot be done by repeatedly claiming the fallacy that it is inherited. Go prove he is notability, by providing significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Rehevkor ✉  14:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Good for you. Now could you work on your attitude? Thanks.


 * I've read INHERIT many times and yes, he does have notability by the standards in said article. Thank you. Paralympiakos (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * lol [I say lol here because there's nothing left to say, without significant coverage there's no article, end of] Rehevkor ✉  14:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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