Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman Wielsch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. North America1000 04:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Norman Wielsch

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Nil notability outside California.

Extremely local coverage in light of his imprisonment. WP:BLP1E fits precisely.

Also, the concerns of BLP violation (as he is a lesser-known figure and the article is compelled to paint him in an entirely negative light) applies well-enough. &#x222F; WBG converse 14:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:49, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:49, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom: local coverage with no depth or |persistence. —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap sh*t room 15:21, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and especially per BLP Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 *  Keep or Merge Redirect  to Dirty DUI scandal Chris Butler (private investigator) There is a detailed discussion of the crime in, which indicates more than 'local' interest, along with news articles in 2011, 2012 and 2013. There is also considerable of newspaper coverage in various local and regional newspapers, mostly Oakland Tribune and Contra Costa Times but a couple hit the wires as well, which show up in ProQuest. According to one article  the scandal drew enough attention to be featured on two national TV shows, although the shows themselves may not be RS.  Although there seems to be enough material to support an article it may be preferable from a BLP perspective to create an article which discusses the entirety of the scandal and then redirect this to that article. Regardless, there is enough here for deletion to not be the answer.  Jbh  Talk  16:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Last edited: 00:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , you have either not read the part of the book, in it's entirety or you are over-exaggerating the coverage.This uses the example of the crime to merely provide an interesting introduction to the broader theme of the chapter.Nothing else of any merit (it again mentions a comment by the author, on the crime at the very ending:-)).I have the book and can email you, per your wish.
 * It's obviously expected that the crime will be covered in Californian/Bay-specific version of news-websites or dailies.And, news by transcript-services which regurgitate Press releases by Dept. of Justice??....... &#x222F; WBG converse 16:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree, I checked the book source and was very unimpressed Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * True. All I could see was the two page introduction although I do think that the plain fact that it was seen as unique/significant enough to server as 'an interesting introduction' shows that the matter has reached beyond the bubble of being merely a local event. Jbh  Talk  16:50, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe Merge with Chris_Butler_(private_investigator), where there's ton of information (really, probably too much per NOTNEWS) on the dirty DUI thing, to create an article on the scandal? I'm not comfortable with the article staying like this, howeverGalobtter (pingó mió) 16:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no objection the creation of Dirty DUI scandal and redirecting this Norman Wielsch to that. Jbh  Talk  16:50, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Anecdotal usage in a book or journal source should not qualify as grounds for a BLP. Ceoil (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The coverage in that article was far from trivial or 'in passing'. It consists of ~150-170 words detailing the crime. The point though, as I said above, is that the mere fact that the author of the paper saw this particular crime by this particular person to be significant enough to introduce and illustrate their point makes the material of more than 'local' interest. The topic being of only local interest is one of the reasons given for deletion and the article is presented as refutation of that. Jbh  Talk  17:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope.I can send you several chapters of multiple books that draws upon completely-non-notable-events (which might be fringe enough), just to give a perfect introduction to the heavy dosage of jargon that will follow....... &#x222F; WBG converse 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - At best, NOTNEWS. At worst, this is nothing but an attack bio. Never should have been created in the first place. Carrite (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Textbook WP:BLPCRIME / WP:NOTNEWS. Arrests and convictions are routine things to turn up in the news, but I don't think we should write articles about them until we have sustained national news coverage over a significant timeframe. Ritchie333 (talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:48, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails any conceivable bar for notability. Guy (Help!) 20:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS Fails Significant coverage over the years. only mentioned for his arrest.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  20:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E as well as several other reasons given above. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 02:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and others. Coverage is not sufficient to enable us to write an account of this person's life, which is in any case not of encyclopaedic interest. His name could be added to a List of convicted policemen (if we have one). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete not sure why this is on the geography list, but fails WP:BLP1E pretty clearly, not easily solved by a redirect. SportingFlyer  talk  01:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete doesn't pass WP:GNG ,so it's a delete for me. <em style="font-family:Rubik;color:Lollipop">JC7V  <em style="font-family:Ebrima;color:Purple">-constructive zone  16:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 *  Delete  as per WP:BLP1E.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Chris Butler (private investigator). Wielsch gets some standalone mentions as a cop gone bad in national outlets, e.g., and he was involved (in a secondary yet significant role) in a series of crimes that meets NCRIME (beyond copious media - local and non-local for the wider Butler operation, see this academic source), that is better covered in the redirect target. The name itself is a plausible search term.Icewhiz (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge with Chris Butler (private investigator). Having fun! Cheers!  03:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Chris Butler (private investigator), where it's already covered.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - for now. If more info available in the future, recreate.BabbaQ (talk) 12:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt per all other delete votes here. Emily Khine (talk) 20:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)


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