Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norodom Ekcharin


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The result was Draftify. Liz Read! Talk! 23:08, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Norodom Ekcharin

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Unclear if subject actually exists given lack of reliable/non-Wordpress sources. Information about existence, imposter, and other details cannot be independently confirmed (i.e. the "official" biography of father Norodom Yuvaneath does not mention subject in list of children). Possible COI with major contributor KentNewland who has made claims such as the former Queen informing her grandchildren about the "imposter" via text message on editor GenQuest's talk page. Would recommend deletion or draftifying to go through the AfC process. Kazamzam (talk) 23:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Cambodia. Kazamzam (talk) 23:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, he existed, at least according to this Phnom Penh post, but we're going to need a lot more sourcing before we can keep this. Oaktree b (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify until the AfC is complete seems like an acceptable option. Oaktree b (talk) 00:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify: I suspect the subject, who died as a child, is legit. I did a lot of work on this article trying to salvage what I could, however, the lack of RS on the toddler is concerning. But, he is royalty, so there's that. I suspect there are probably more foreign sources available, so I do not support outright deletion, and a merge to the father could well be in order. if sources are found. GenQuest  "scribble" 03:05, 28 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Phnom Penh post source is not correct and it was an old news. It was back in the day when Ekcharin impersonator was able to con his way to upper chain of the Norodom royal family. This Ekcharin impersonator made up story to credit his existence and unfortunately they were already widespread among one of Julio A. Jeldres' books and onto many other medias. The family of Norodom Yuvaneath did accept him as the biological son at that time and they were also tricked to believe with the false DNA report created by Ekcharin impersonator. The final DNS test that was taken place (conducted by Norodom Yuvaneath's oldest son) in Aug of 2022 indicates that he is not the survival and biological son. The family had already disconnected their associations with this person. I understand that Wiki requires RS to credit any of these new findings but unfortunately there aren't any available at this moment. EFE.com is working on an updated story on this matter and I have no idea when they are going to publish it. I hope this Wiki article will be given some more time and chances to sort things out otherwise I understand that deletion is necessary if RS is not presenting any sooner (or worst: reverting back to the original Ekcharin impersonator biography). This Ekcharin impersonator is still alive indeed but his official name that appears in his Swedish passport is Charin Norodom. Charin is a common name among Cambodians. But he definitely is not "the Ekcharin", the biological son, of Tea Kim Yin for sure. For argument sake and let say the real Ekcharin is still alive, then the DNA will have to prove it via Ancestry or MyHeritage.com or other similar sites if the potential child and the mother both had submitted their DNA samples. Otherwise, anyone can claim to be Ekcharin Norodom and especially when the child is already dead. The payoff is just too good to pass if a person has a chance to become a part of a royal family. KentNewland (talk) 01:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As you noted, none of the claims you have made above or in the article have reliable sources. Given the amount of information on the page, I think the best option is to draftify. I do not think it is appropriate to keep unverified statements on WP about DNA tests having been conducted as that's quite a big claim to make about someone's personal and familial life with nothing to go on, royalty or otherwise. Kazamzam (talk) 04:51, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Draftify as an WP:ATD. Sourcing is currently insufficient, but the royal link gives a good chance of notability. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Below are article links just published recently about fake Norodom Ekcharin in Spanish. English version will be available soon. Can these be used as citations to revive this Norodom Ekcharin wiki page?
 * Links:
 * https://www.elsalvador.com/entretenimiento/cultura/el-enigma-del-monarca-que-reaparecio-tras-estar-muerto/1037200/2023/
 * https://universul.net/familia-regala-a-cambodgiei-si-enigma-cetateanului-suedez-care-s-a-dat-drept-print-reinviat/
 * https://www.swissinfo.ch/spa/camboya-monarqu%C3%ADa_el-enigma-del-pr%C3%ADncipe-camboyano-que--reapareci%C3%B3--tras-d%C3%A1rsele-por-muerto/48255986
 * https://cooperativa.cl/noticias/mundo/asia/camboya/la-historia-del-principe-camboyano-que-en-realidad-no-era-quien-decia-ser/2023-02-03/102854.html KentNewland (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


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