Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North African Arabs


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The result was keep. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 03:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

North African Arabs

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Poor article and unreferenced and not an encyclopedic article. With empty sections and some of the people mentioned are not originally from North Africa. AyOuBoXe (talk) 19:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC) This person vandalized many times the berbers article The North African Arabs article is created to abuse berbers and to distorting facts In a section of this article "Berberisation and Berberised Arabs" they write Racism in North-Africa !! There is an article "Arabs" so there is no need to create another article
 * Keep - Article needs major cleanup and work but the subject is notable and covered in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This Article is unnecessary and theres an article talking about Arabs AyOuBoXe (talk) 22:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Be Aware! This page is put up for deletion by a Berberist which has deleted many important information of many good pages on wikipedia about arabs. I already blocked AyOuBoXe of the page because he has deleted much reliable information without any sources or explanation. This is just a childish act of a North-African Berber which is playing games on Wikipedia and trying to remove the history of North-African Arabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alhaqiha (talk • contribs) 23:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This article are created by some pan-arabists his name is alhaqiqa

Alhaqiha (talk) 18:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC) user:Alhaqiha I know how it is his exclusionary thinking North Africa are all Arabs this is your thinking His article was established for a clear objectives who is falsification of facts for example :Arabian jewelry of North-Africa There is nothing in north africa called Arabian jewelry and there is no sources that arabian jewelery are in morocco Andalusian stone !!!? He take it from an arabic blog or what ? Diamonds are not even used in moroccan jewelry so where is his sources "Through out the centuries, many Arabian tribes have settled in the Maghreb, or new tribes were created. The tribal system is upheld mainly in the countryside of North Africa. Still, many people originally belong to a tribe which bonds the people culturally and religiously. In the different countries in North Africa exist the following tribes." Where is his sources He create the tribes articles and he put them in this article whitout any sources I doubt that his source is http://moroccan.tribes.free.fr/ ?This site does not reliable No one of this Umayyad governors are born in north africa so how they become arabian north africain ? And Abdallah al-Battal he was not even an arab he was a mawla of the Umayyad family. So his origins are not arabian So if you want to invent a history that does not exist. go to the arabic version of wikipedia He primarily denied that the majority of the Arabs of Morocco were originally arabized berbers https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berber_cuisine&diff=706813324&oldid=698200370 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Msemen&diff=719139038&oldid=709007574 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tajine&diff=720230712&oldid=720230322 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Couscous&diff=710023347&oldid=709955267 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kenitra&diff=710513240&oldid=708062189 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oujda&diff=710512969&oldid=710420282 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A%C3%AFt_Benhaddou&diff=713909157&oldid=713381426 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=University_of_Al_Quaraouiyine&diff=721414887&oldid=721414778 (arab or berberian!!!) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berbers&diff=720736117&oldid=720592554 AyOuBoXe (talk) 21:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear wiki editors, I want to make clear that the page North-African Arabs is created (not by me) just like all the other wikipedia pages to share information and knowledge. The user Ayoubox is a pan-berberist himself, and simply wants to see this page gone for his own purposes. It is in my interest to share interesting information about North-African Arab history, culture, literature etc. This ethnic group has developed it's own accents, cultural elements etc. in North-Africa. The claim that I "vandalised" the page about berbers is not true. I have added evidence based sources with information about the Neolithic and Holocene expansion from middle-eastern farmers. Also have I deleted some non-usable sources like www.foxnews.com. In fact, If you take a look at his contributions, you will notice aswell that he removes information without any evidence, explanation or talks. The page is also not created to "abuse berbers", it is simply intimidating that this kind of information about racist berbers which they try to hide is going to be out in the world. There are many interesting documents and medieval books like the one from the jewish spaniard "Ben Maimonidas" which talks about racism during the berber Almohad, Almoravid and Merinid empires. Also are there many articles about nationalistic racist ideas created by the riff berbers to take over and ethnic cleanse the country. The page still has to be added though, maybe there can be an alert for people to help edit this page. I want to thank Lemongirl942 for restoring my comment on this page which was deleted by Ayoubox.
 * He take only the appropriate research to his interests and he did not give importance to the research that shows the opposite of what he wrote.

In North-Africa there is more than enough arabian jewelry, maybe that you have never seen it before!! And indeed, there is an Andalucian stone, but you dont know anything of it because it is not part of your culture anyways. That you have never heard of it doesn't mean it is not there!! Go search for yourself. And ofcourse diamonds are used in the jewelry! The tribes I have addes are real tribes, and the website is an evidence based website. I dont understand why you find so much interest in my use of sources when the sources you use are foxnews.com or blogs. If there are other problems which you find hard to cope with on this page, you simply go to the "talk" page and discuss wether it should be there or not. The fact that you want to ban a whole page proves your racist berberist agenda. The pages on wikipedia about North-African topics are dominated by the berbers, I can see in every page that berbers try to claim it to be theirs. That is false, many dishes, buildings, and cities are founded by other ethnic groups, not everything is berber. That only proofs that your people have vanalised everything on wikipedia, and now all these pages are filled with berberist nonsense, claiming everything and deleting all arab related information!! And if I add website links in which you have vandalised wiki pages, I will need 3 pages. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arabs_in_France&diff=prev&oldid=721725102 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars&diff=prev&oldid=721705137 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Msemen&diff=prev&oldid=721702521 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Algerian_historians&diff=prev&oldid=720592042 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Moroccan_historians&diff=prev&oldid=720591888 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Tunisian_historians&diff=prev&oldid=720591790 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arabs_in_France&diff=prev&oldid=715587167 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arabs_in_France&diff=prev&oldid=715586551 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Demographics_of_Algeria&diff=prev&oldid=700282035 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/North_African_Arabs&diff=prev&oldid=721607343
 * Keep You claim that I'm the one with distorted thinking?  Well your way of editing shows the extreme opposite. North-Africa is a multi-cutural part of the African continent. It also has arabs living in it for 1400 years wether you like it or not. You say that I thinkt that North-Africa only has arabs, which is not true. I have added information and links into the page with berbers to prove there is also an existence of other ethnic groups in North-Africa, not only berbers which you try to claim. You are the one which has a great problem accepting others in North-Africa, that is why you want the page North African Arabs to be deleted and keep deleting arab related information from North African wikipedia pages. There is no "falcification of facts", if I have sources than it is reality that you simply cant accept or don't want to see.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alhaqiha (talk • contribs) 14:00, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment: I have struck a duplicate keep (diff) --Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Checkuser note: The nominator has been blocked for ✅ abuse of multiple accounts.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:18, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The term seems to appear in numerous books (GBooks search). The article does not seem bad enough to warrant WP:TNT. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:48, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


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