Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Beach Line


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The result was   keep or "nomination withdrawn", take your pick (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

North Beach Line

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Incomprehensible "translation" from id Wikipedia, fails WP:NOTE and WP:SOURCE Davidelit (talk) 06:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC) *Delete Not only does this article not have reliable secondary sources, it is completely incomprehensible, bordering on patent nonsense. Unless someone has the patience to rewrite this article, with proper sources, I believe it cannot be called encyclopedic material and thus should be deleted. Anti venin  06:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * After the complete rewrite of this article, I change my vote to Keep. Anti  venin  16:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete I'd tend to agree - I can't find anything on the subject anywhere, and I can't understand the article sufficiently to actually know what else I could look under - and I'm a native English speaker. Orderinchaos 06:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I've rewritten this into a readable whole: it appears to be an Indonesian federal highway, and national highways are considered notable. Nyttend (talk) 14:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the tags before the afd were for the standard problem of Indonesian editors with no english using invented english creating translations from WP id - we at WP Indonesia (english) categorically discourage transfer of material from WP id on the basis that there either never any or inadequate WP:RS to justify the translation across - for all my post grad research on obscure aspects of Javanese history I cannot for the like of me ever remember 'North Beach Line' i think I can remember something like the 'great post road' perhaps - it might be notable but what is the point of saving it if the name used does not extract WP:RS from somewhere? SatuSuro 14:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC) Good to be proved wrong after the good work of nyttend - well done! I still have my reservations about cross project translation and the finding of mainly Indonesian language reasonable sources SatuSuro 02:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per improvements by Nyttend. There are many sources under its Indonesian language name.   An article of a highway of this scale that's over 1,300 km in length and connects major cities would be easily kept if it were American or European.  There's no reason to start systemic bias against southeast Asian highways with this one.--Oakshade (talk) 16:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep the improved version, as a federal highway of this length is certainly notable. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 20:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  —SatuSuro 14:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Well done Nyttend, but the comments about this being a "federal highway" miss the point, and are either WP:POV or WP:OR. There is no federal highway system in Indonesia - hence no mention of it at Transport in Indonesia. And there are still no sources. Davidelit (talk) 03:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


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