Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Central Senior Hockey League


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. There's a rough but sufficient consensus here that the the league does not meet our notability requirements. The suggestion that this might find a home as part of a larger-scope article seems like a reasonable idea, but it needs to be said that simply aggregating a bunch of non-notable topics doesn't guarantee the result will be judged notable. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:08, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

North Central Senior Hockey League

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Article about a subject which does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ORG. Only references in article are primary. - McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 22:11, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep Second tier senior hockey league, seems plenty notable to me. DMighton (talk) 22:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There does appear to be some degree of regular media coverage of the league: . DMighton (talk) 02:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: I don't like doing it, but I also can't find third-party references that give the league significant coverage. Perhaps someone can provide those, but without them, an article can't be sustained.   Ravenswing   05:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete I'm not in favour of doing this since I follow the Lloydminster Border Kings that have also dropped to AA Senior. But I've never heard of this league until now and I would say if it is notable, the Battle River Hockey League should be also. But I don't believe the BRHL to be notable and the Border Kings notability is only due to their Allan Cup wins. I say a weak delete because this league may have inherent local notability, though I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned in the Edmonton papers. If third party sources can be found for it, like from Hockey Alberta or another site, I'd be inclined to change my vote.Shootmaster 44 (talk) 10:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems if you search each of the teams individually, you will find local newspaper coverage of the games. I am not sure whether this gives it enough notability or whether this falls into WP:Routine. Here is the Morinville coverage from their local paper to give you an idea. Shootmaster 44 (talk) 10:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Match reports is explicitly the sort of coverage WP:ROUTINE rejects as being indicative of notability.   Ravenswing   14:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per, sources are few and far between. Tavix | Talk  05:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sources :   Here is reference to Hockey Alberta links showing standings of the league and tournaments sanctioned by Hockey Alberta. | Hockey Alberta Provincials and | Leagues in Alberta Rabbit Hill Beer (talk) 16:25, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * These verify that the league exists. Existence is different from notability though. See WP:EXISTENCE. Tavix | Talk  19:22, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No one was challenging that the league existed. If you need a refresher on the pertinent parts of the GNG: ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition ..."   Ravenswing   05:22, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, I understand what you both are getting at, let me see if I can find anything else to substantiate the league further. I was planning on doing an article for each of the AA leagues in Alberta, which covers the full province. Is this something that may bring more notability to it as a whole, if it were part of a larger "umbrella" "Senior AA" as opposed to just a stand alone? :   Rabbit Hill Beer (talk) 20:12, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe if that is what you are thinking of doing, maybe this content would be better served as a section in Hockey Alberta with other Alta Sr Leagues... minus the Chinook which is notable on its own... maybe we should consider a merge option? Thoughts?  DMighton (talk) 23:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me know what you want me to do, and I'll begin working on the other leagues, I just don't want to begin and then have it deleted, so once you give me the go ahead, I'll begin putting it all together. :    Rabbit Hill Beer (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 02:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd like to make reference that one of the leagues already is covered with an article here, the North Peace Hockey League, which is also a Senior AA league. They send teams to Hockey Alberta's Senior AA Provincals, as do the other 4 leagues within Alberta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabbit Hill Beer (talk • contribs) 15:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.