Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Macedonia (Greece)


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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

North Macedonia (Greece)

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Complete WP:POINTy WP:OR/WP:POV fork. There is no "Northern Macedonia" in Greece, which is why the Greek government agreed to apply the term to its northern neighbour. The content of this article makes clear that this is a non-concept, mixing in the Ministry of Northern Greece, and the Northern Greek dialect, both of which are much broader than the supposed "North Macedonia (Greece)"... Constantine  ✍  18:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Lol, the maps included disprove its existence. Reywas92Talk 19:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I disagree with the arguments used above. Just because "North Macedonia" isn't an official political area of Greece, that doesn't mean that the article cannot be created. For example Macedonia (region) is not a political boundary but a historical geographical one, and areas like Northern England and Southern Vietnam are cultural boundaries rather than strict legal ones. With this said, I agree that the current article is not good enough to warrant its own article because it does not use enough reliable sources. For this article to exist, it would require some more evidence that the term North(ern) Macedonia is often used in Greece to refer to the northern part of Greek Macedonia. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 21:44, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Apples&#38;Manzanas, when I wrote 'There is no "Northern Macedonia" in Greece', I did not merely mean it as an 'official political area'. I also meant it as a cultural, geographic, and historical area (at least for the confines of modern Greek Macedonia, rather than as a generic descriptor for the northern parts of the wider Macedonia (region) in its various definitions by various authors). One of the reasons it is now being applied to the former Republic of Macedonia, is precisely because it is entirely unambiguous: the geographic term "north[ern] Macedonia" coincides largely with the modern state of the same name, and the same name/term is not otherwise used in any country. Constantine  ✍  16:00, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nomination. Greek Macedonia is the part of "Northern Greece" (Βόρεια Ελλάδα), together with Thrace (cf. the former "Ministry of Northern Greece", renamed later as Ministry of Macedonia and Thrace), but nobody talks in Greece of North (of Greek) Macedonia. There is not such a thing because of the "horizontal shape" of (Greek) Macedonia inside the Greek state. On the contrary, there is "Western", "Central" and "Eastern" (Greek) Macedonia. ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * PS. BTW, the creator of this article, user Argyross is probably a sock of the indef bocked (for abusing multiple accounts) user A. Katechis Mpourtoulis (cf. their edits, esp. on articles Othonoi, Diapontia Islands, Ano Panta, this edit at Magna Graecia and that one). ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 01:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Snow delete Even the text in the "article" seems to confuse (or fuse) the non-existant "Northern Macedonia" with Northern Greece. --T*U (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORK. The issue is settled legally and in every other way. If we kept this article, we would only be adding to the confusion. Compare Palestinian law, where until 1948, "Palestinian law" referred to the law of the Mandated territories, with Upstate New York, which can mean different territories. "North Macedonia" means only one thing, and creating an article around outdated sources would be giving undue weight to an antiquated phrase. Bearian (talk) 19:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


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