Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Electrics (Northern Rail)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The content of this article is not included in the Northern Rails article, so the CONTENTFORK argument is weak. The images in the articles suggest that Northern electrics is indeed a different brand. The content might be merged to Northern Rail, but none of the !voters suggested this. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 17:24, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Northern Electrics (Northern Rail)

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Delete Covered by Northern Rail. Not a separate company, not branded separately in announcements, and not all of Northern's electric routes have this branding. It is merely a limited-time promotional feature. It is not notable that trains are a different shade of purple, indeed some of Northern's other trains are branded in a red livery (West Yorkshire Metro), and some are blue.  JaJaWa &#124; talk  01:50, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The electrification of the Liverpool/Manchester/Preston/Blackpool routes is certainly notable, as shown by the sources. The remaining question is whether it is useful as a separate article, or better merged into Northern Rail. I personally think that many services, not just these, can be broken out from Northern Rail in summary style articles. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hroðulf (talk • contribs) 13:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - It's a specific train service/line/operation in much the same way InterCity East Coast is operated by Virgin Trains East Coast. There's already too much topic-specific content here to be merged with the already long Northern Rail article. --Oakshade (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the franchise. I have no issue with an article called Northern (rail) franchise.  JaJaWa &#124; talk  18:15, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - I think that considering the amount of detailed information the Northern Electrics article contains it should be retained. In my view there is too much information in the Northern Electrics article to summarise it all into a small section on the Northern Rail article - Coradia175 (talk) 02:28, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:27, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - An article purely about the livery chosen by a railway company for a particular service it operates is not notable. Wikipedia is not a travel guide nor a means of promotion. These liveries are merely transient and the rest of the information is a WP:CONTENTFORK from a number of articles including Northern Rail and Northern Hub. Lamberhurst (talk) 15:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not "livery", but an full infrastructure electrification service that distincts itself from the rest of the majority diesel operation of the rest of Northern Rail's network. --Oakshade (talk) 16:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Livery or branding, it adds up to the same thing. Northern Rail is not responsible for infrastructure improvements or electrification, this is Network Rail. Lamberhurst (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter who was responsible for the previous infrastructure improvements, it's what the current electrification service is, which of course is different than "livery or branding."--Oakshade (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Northern Electrics is just a sub-brand of Northern Rail and should be included in that article. It is all part of the one franchise agreement, in much the same way that the Silverlink County and Silverlink Metro sub-brands have both included in the Silverlink article, Highspeed within Southeastern and Trans-Pennine Express within Arriva Trains Northern. Some brands do have separate articles, e.g. Gatwick Express which is a brand of Southern and Night Riviera which is a brand of First Great Western, but both of these had previous histories as standalone entities in the British Rail era. Mantrans7 (talk) 08:46, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The day after this article was created, I WP:PRODded it "Redundant content fork of Northern Rail". Although it has been expanded since, I still don't think it justifies a separate article. -- Red rose64 (talk) 12:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.