Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Irish nationalism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Nomination withdrawn. Liz Read! Talk! 06:40, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Northern Irish nationalism

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There is no such thing as Northern Irish nationalism. Yes, sometimes this combination of words may appear in newspapers, but it is never clearly defined and does not refer to anything specific. Nationalism in Northern Ireland is a political ideology that advocates Irish unification. Nationalists believe that the people of the entire island of Ireland should govern Ireland as a sovereign state. Ulster nationalism is entirely different and has nothing to do with Northern Irish nationalism. Kpratter (talk) 07:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a disambiguation page (see Disambiguation) and, as a new user, you may not be familiar with the concept. It seeks to make the very sort of clarification you make, to those who may be searching using an ambiguous or unclear term. It is thus useful to indicate to them articles that may fulfil the intent of their search. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:36, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Disambiguations, Ireland,  and Northern Ireland.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep seems like a useful assistance for navigation as a disamb page. JMWt (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nom suggests that the term "may appear in newspapers, but it is never clearly defined". Which, to my read, is a reason to retain (rather than to delete) this DAB title. In the context of notability/use, the term does seem to have some use in academia (,, etc). And so WP:NEO doesn't seem to apply. And, in the context of meaning, the term does appear to be used (broadly) in the two ways covered by this DAB page . I personally don't follow or support the rationale for deleting. Guliolopez (talk) 11:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep: Dab pages are cheap and easy to implement. This has no reason to be deleted. Nagol0929 (talk) 11:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Are there any sources for any of this? In addition to "this combination of words may appear in newspapers". And any secondary sources that support "it is never clearly defined and does not refer to anything specific"? If not, this seems to be largely OR and I don't like it. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Without wanting to fall too far down the rabbit hole, it is clear that 'nationalism' in Northern Ireland refers to two different things. This article describes nationalism in the context of a political movement in Northern Ireland which seeks Irish unity. Whereas this article describes it as a political movement within NI by people who strongly believe in British nationalism. It's not much of a stretch to believe that there is no consensus in the media as to a generally accepted meaning of the words and therefore it is appropriate to have a disamb page on en.wiki for readers to find what they want. There's no OR here that I can see, simply trying to clarify by being more precise with the terms. JMWt (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I am withdrawing my request to delete this page. Initially, I believed that every page should possess a clearly defined subject, allowing readers to discern its purpose. However, I have since realized that disambiguation pages may not necessarily adhere to this criterion and can consist of arbitrary word sequences. Therefore, I retract my deletion request. --Kpratter (talk) 09:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the reponses on board and withdrawing the nomination. Disambiguation pages should not "consist of arbitrary word sequences". To highlight the more pertinent sections of Disambiguation, so you can gain a clearer understanding, check out Disambiguation and Disambiguation. Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Perfectly cromulent disambiguation page. As for the question raised by above, I should think it could at worst be resolved by moving the page to the title Nationalism in Northern Ireland (which currently redirects to the article under discussion). Either title is, to my eye, sufficiently plausible as a search term. TompaDompa (talk) 17:38, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. The wording just needed some tweaking. The problem was that the entry for Irish nationalism made it sound like "Irish nationalism" as a total topic was also called "Norther Irish nationalism", when what was meant was that "Irish nationalism within Northern Ireland" might be called that. Fixed.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


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