Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Storm F.C.


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The result was   delete \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 13:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Northern Storm F.C.

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This article about an amateur football club in Australia was, according to the club's own website, "created to help generate exposure for the club" (see: ). The article was created by User:NorthernStormFootballClub who has contested a prod deletion on the article. Aside from the blatant promotional purpose, the club does not appear to meet WP:GROUP or WP:ATHLETE: the article contains only a single independent reference, and it's to the local newspaper for the small city where the club is from. A Google News search for "Northern Storm Football Club" doesn't produce any hits and a general Google search doesn't produce any reliable sources either (I'd post links to the search results, but for some reason they're timing out!) - the closest thing to an additional RS is this which is from another local newspaper and is blatantly promotional (note the contact details for the club at the bottom of the article, listing and praise of sponsors, lack of a byline, etc). Nick-D (talk) 01:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  —Nick-D (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Non notable team, fails WP:GROUP and, as individuals, WP:ATHLETE. WWGB (talk) 02:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

This football club is notable as it can be found on a number of websites including North Coast Football, The Coffs Coast Advocate, Northern New South Wales Football, Coffs Coast Travel and Tourism, Coffs Harbour City Council, Coffs Coast Independent, OurPatch (under the 'Sporting Groups Directory').

http://www.coffscoast.com.au/midac/reception.pl?Source=Coffs+Coast+Travel+and+Tourism&Code=iINcc261&Template=coffs&st=&returnURL=&IN=INcc&dm=1&tw=&wide=

http://www.finda.com.au/story/2009/05/12/the-storm-blow-past-disappointing-orara/

http://www.finda.com.au/story/2009/05/18/experience-the-key-for-urunga-raiders/

http://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/search-results/?page=searchresults&cx=005684713114513801790%3Avir3dk8sc7u&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=Northern+Storm&sa=#1107

http://www.northcoastfootball.com.au/clubs.html#storm

Gas Panic42 (talk) 04:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Please note that User:Gas Panic42 is the same editor as User:NorthernStormFootballClub (User talk:NorthernStormFootballClub redirects to User talk:Gas Panic42) Nick-D (talk) 04:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So I changed my username (on 2 June, by the way, 6 days ago now). Does this make any difference to the state of the article? Gas Panic42 (talk) 05:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not at all: I was just highlighting that you're the editor who started the article. I note that you were editing the article as User:NorthernStormFootballClub earlier today. Nick-D (talk) 05:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * On the topic of the links posted above, the first is a directory listing, four are from the local newspaper and are routine match reports or promotional and lack bylines (the fourth link in the list isn't even about this team) and the last one is the website of the amateur football league the club plays in. I personally don't think that the news stories are the kind of coverage needed to meet WP:ORG as they're trivial in nature and aren't clearly from a 'reliable, independent secondary source' given that they appear to have been written by people associated with the team judging from their tone (most lack bylines, which doesn't help establish reliability). As the article was expressly created to promote the club, strong sourcing is needed to demonstrate notability. Nick-D (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The above listed websites are written by people who are not associated with the club in any way (even though you may believe they 'appear' to be judging from their 'tone'). They are written by reliable sources such as newspapers (The Coffs Coast Advocate has a circulation of well over 30,000 before anyone attempts to say that it is 'not notable') and football governing bodies (North Coast Football, Northern New South Wales Football). Gas Panic42 (talk) 07:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: As the club is not a fully professional club participating in a top-flight competition, the article subject does not meet the notability criteria for football/soccer teams set out in WP Football Notability. Therefore must meet the broader Wikipedia notability guidelines. Some sources are available, but as far as I can tell none can be considered as reliable third party sources. Perhaps the person who created this article could consider approaching the club and working on their website, if they do not already do so. Also, I feel it should be pointed out that operating multiple accounts is usually frowned upon, although there are some circumstances in which it is considered okay so caution is advised. — AustralianRupert (talk) 06:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I do not operate 'multiple accounts', my username was originally NorthernStormFootballClub but I was informed that this was an inappropriate username, so I changed it to 'Gas_Panic42'. No multiple accounts here. Also, I am the club's website administrator - is there anything that I should do in order for the club to be considered 'notable'? (even though it already is the second largest football club in the Northern New South Wales Football region with over 500 registered members). Gas Panic42 (talk) 07:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment If you don't operate multiple accounts, then why are you still still using the NorthernStormFootballClub one? Please note that you should not edit articles on topics which you have a conflict of interest with, and especially not to promote the subject of the article as you have done here - the relevant guideline is Conflict of interest. Nick-D (talk) 07:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I am no longer using my NorthernStormFootballClub account. Please point out any sections of the article that have a promotional tone and I will fix these right away. Gas Panic42 (talk) 11:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Very light-weight refs; fails WP:N. Johnuniq (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete' per nom; non-notable team. GiantSnowman 13:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable. Orderinchaos 03:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This club is notable, and a more-than-adequate amount of sources has been provided to prove this. The club has existed for over 15 years and established itself as 'notable' due to its participation in important Australian club competitions such as the HBF Champion of Champions with success. Gas Panic42 (talk) 09:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How does its participation in a non-notable competition make it notable? And the "sources" are the local rag and the local council - much like every other local team of any size or level in Australia apart from top-flight competitions. Orderinchaos 20:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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