Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northpoint (skyscraper)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Northpoint (skyscraper)

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Residential building does not meet WP:NBUILDING. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:52, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:44, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:44, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. (JayPlaysStuff &#124; talk to me &#124; What I've been up to) 20:58, 4 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - Non-notable condominium, does not meet criteria for WP:NBUILDING. The non-notable "award" is a vanity award: Propertyguru.com's "Thailand Property Award". Basically any architect or a firm who enters this PR award gets it - if they pay for the marketing package - pay-to-play. See discussion at Articles for deletion/Andromeda (skyscraper) for more info on content from the UPE account who has been creating these articles. Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion or advertizing. Netherzone (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * "The UPE account who has been creating these articles" did not create this one. This article was created in 2009 (though by an account whose few contributions are all about Raimon Land's projects). --Paul_012 (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing that out, I struck the sentence in my comment above, but still maintain the article should be deleted, as I don't think it meets notability requirements, and the sourcing is weak. This article creator has not answered the inquiry on their talk page re: COI, however they are a single purpose editor for Raimond Land development projects. Netherzone (talk) 16:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: It was something like the 7th tallest building in Thailand upon completion, and the first of a huge wave of skyscraper construction in Pattaya, so there should probably be some coverage in that respect, though I'm finding it elusive. 2008 is over a decade ago, though, so it's possbile there's news coverage that's now offline. What's available online include the usual coverage (mostly PR-based) in the Pattaya Mail, a piece about the Pattaya real estate landscape from a website of Hotels.com, a review on real estate website Think of Living (no, I still say it's far from proven that it's sponsored content), and an article on the website of real estate agent Town & Country Property, which, while glowingly positive, seems to reflect the author's assessment and doesn't appear to be sponsored, though a real estate agent probably doesn't exactly qualify as a reliable source. There are some magazine results in Google Books as well, but no previews available so hard to say what the degree of coverage is. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. This is the kind of prestige project that normally generates third-party coverage, and the Art and AsiaPacific snippet found via Google Books search suggests that there are sources that aren't quite easily available as we're looking decade late. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  10:13, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . What makes you say this is a "prestige project"? Also, could you please post the link of the Art and AsiaPacific snippet that you are referring to? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 05:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, one generally doesn't go around building the tallest building outside of Bangkok if not aiming for prestige. Mentions by the South China Morning Post also suggest so: "The developer is leading Thailand's luxury condominium charge with The River project in Bangkok ... and Northpoint Condominium Pattaya." "In November, Raimon Land will launch the high-end luxury condominium complex Northpoint in Pattaya. The development is already 20 per cent sold, proving the high demand for this location." Search snippets can't be linked, I think. It's the first one shown in the Google Books link in my above comment. (I can't quite tell though whether it's from a piece of coverage or an advertisement, which is why I only said that it suggests that there are more sources: "Featuring an exceptional mix of luxurious and spacious residences, majestic gardens and a world of recreational choices, Northpoint is quite simply Pattaya's most sought-after beachfront address.") --Paul_012 (talk) 06:20, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Paul for the explanation and for sharing those links. In my opinion, they are passing mentions but indeed they do hint at notability being possible with more sources. MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:14, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and Netherzone.4meter4 (talk) 02:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.