Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwest Airlines Flight 188


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Northwest Airlines Flight 188

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Non notable incident not worthy of a standalone article, fails WP:PERSISTENCE and does not meet WP:AIRCRASH. PremKudva   Talk   11:07, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Neutral I feel that there is some long term significance to this event however it may not justify having an article dedicated to it. However, I can not understand how WP:AIRLINES applies in this case.Andrew Kurish (talk) 00:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry corrected to AIRCRASH from AIRLINE, I corrected it to AIRLINE earlier since this was not an accident and just an incident, noted that AIRCRASH also includes incidents.-- PremKudva    Talk   05:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nom has is exactly right. It happened, it got reported on, it went away.....not notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:PERSISTENCE....William 16:41, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Neutral I"m also neutral on this one, although it doesn't pass WP:AIRCRASH I don't believe it should be deleted because of that. I also don't believe it is WP:PERSISTENCE either.  Jay Jay Talk to me 01:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * That incident led to some changes in the rules for the cockpit crew. Since you've zapped this article, what's the article containing that info? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * May I suggest undeletion or deletion review, do you have sources to verify that claim?  Jay Jay Talk to me 19:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How about if you userfy the article under my account, so I can read it and see what, if anything, can be done with it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article mentions that the FAA revoked the pilot certificates, and that the ATC was rebuked for not alerting NORAD in the stipulated 10 minutes, no other procedural changes is mentioned.-- PremKudva    Talk   10:11, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I was just looking up information on this flight... It's factual, covered by multiple sources, I'm interested enough to search for it four years later and I doubt I'm the only one (since pilot error currently in the news again with the Asiana crash). What more do you want? 71.58.222.181 (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * +1 66.31.46.165 (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

This topic has been resubmitted via Articles for creation as Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Northwest Airlines Flight 188 and in its present form it may pass WP:AIRCRASH and WP:NEWSEVENT, including WP:PERSISTENCE imo. I am seeking opinions on what to do with the AfC article, can it be passed or is undeletion or a deletion review of the old article a better option? Ochiwar (talk) 08:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I too am at a loss regarding what to do with the article. I had proposed this article deletion since there was no loss to life, no loss to aircraft, and no major changes to policy or equipment, or not notable on its own as per WP:AIRCRASH. I came to know this when article Indian Airlines Flight 557 was deleted even though it had a hull loss. So since it was a hull loss it was mentionable on the airline page. In the Asiana case above there was a hull loss and loss to lives and so automatically became notable.
 * These articles come up during search when new accidents come up, until which they fail WP:PERSISTENCE. Perhaps WP:AIRCRASH should be modified to allow such incidents/accidents to have a full article. Especially since they generally are well written and sourced. -- PremKudva    Talk   10:32, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The references in the AfC article show that the incident is still being covered in news and scientific literature up till December 2013 so I do not think WP:PERSISTENCE is being failed. The article in AfC also passes WP:AIRCRASH because the incident resulted in changes to procedures, regulations or processes affecting airports, airlines or the aircraft industry (See refs of the AfC article). Besides, according to WP:AIRCRASH, it it is recommended that WP:AIRCRASH not be cited at Articles for Deletion discussions for either keeping or deleting. Ochiwar (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2014 (UTC)