Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwestern Undertones


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. A merge discussion may be appropriate. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:13, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Northwestern Undertones

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Not my field, but I cannot see how this group is notable: they have three recordings, 2 of which have no claim to notability & Boots and cats  which has at least won a within-genre award. In such a case, do we make the article for the album or the group?  DGG ( talk ) 00:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The Undertones have been one of the best collegiate a cappella groups in the Midwest over the past five years as measured by their awards at the International Collegiate Championships of A Cappella and their most recent album. But I understand if five years of regional excellence isn't significant enough to warrant a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pathock (talk • contribs) 00:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Weak keep. This is a tough one, but I think if they have a couple of successful hits/albums, regardless of them being a college musical group, then I suppose they pass notability guidelines. But the page needs third party sources. I suppose anyone can be on Itunes and have chart topping hits, such as the group in question. Tinton5 (talk) 02:23, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Another option is to merge the content over to Northwestern University, including albums and such. I looked and the albums pages are stubs with just a lead and track listing. Very limited sources. Tinton5 (talk) 02:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 02:06, 10 September 2012 (UTC)



Before I cast my vote, I'm confused. WP:MUSBIO is vague. To be eligible for a Wiki page, does an artist HAVE to be top 40 Billboard chart, no other accomplishments matter? If so I will vote delete, however if not and we choose to keep this article, we will need to revert a great deal of wrongful deletes. For example, just yesterday we deleted Articles_for_deletion/Anand_Bhatt_(musician) who qualified a great deal more (as you can see form the discussion) but yet we determined the artist not notable Wikijustice2013 (talk) 04:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

There are a lot of college a cappella groups with Wikipedia pages. If this one goes, probably many of those should as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collegiate_a_cappella_groups Pathock talk 15:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Ignore Wikijustice2013. They are just copy/pasting the same Delete "vote" and comment many AfDs. Also, I believe Wikijustice2013 and 99.99.174.248 are sockupuppets; see the Afd for Anand Bhatt, where 99.99.174.248 voted about 20 times and was warned by admin Mr. Stradivarious. --76.189.97.91 (talk) 20:51, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Both Wikijustice2013 and 99.99.174.248 have been blocked by Postdlf for sockpuppetry and retaliatory AfD postings.. --76.189.97.91 (talk) 03:42, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Awards are not major. No evidence of any chart hits. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It is hard to judge the notability of this topic considering the way the references are formatted. It would also be better if the prose explained all the awards and honors.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 07:21, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: If this group is not independently notable, an article on Northwestern University a cappella groups might be. Certainly more than the joke that is Northwestern Wildcats.--Milowent • hasspoken  04:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.