Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norwegian serfdom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   selectively merge. Consensus is that this article should not be maintained and should be selectively merged and redirected as discussed below.  Sandstein  08:45, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Norwegian serfdom

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Whilst I believe the creator had all good intentions, this article is fundamentally incorrect, as there has not been serfdom in Norway for nearly 1,000 years. Furthermore, the content is partly inaccurate and partly original research. ('can be a way of defining' etc.) No More 18 (talk) 01:03, 25 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:OR. The article admits "they were not actually in serfdom by European standards". Clarityfiend (talk) 03:28, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 *  Delete  primarily as fundamentally incorrect information. I happen to possess literature on the topic, I remembered today, and I might write a new article. However, I do not have the sufficient amount of time nowadays. I believe the deletion proposal should be considered independently of this. No More 18 (talk) 20:36, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Struck duplicate vote by nominator. Your deletion nomination is your vote. • Gene93k (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep and rename! The article itself is not that bad and can be improved.  The title is and always has been cringe-worthy.  Change it to, for example, Norwegian lower class (or peasant/s) farmers from c. 1750 or tenant farmers.  The article Norway is probably too long to add this content to, and this bit of history is important.  --Hordaland (talk) 03:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete after merging any important bits into History of Norway (where our non-serfs are called smallholders, but "smallholders" apparently own(ed) their own land!) and/or into Tenant farmer. --Hordaland (talk) 04:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Deleting after merging is often a bad idea for multi-author articles, because normally, the attribution of text to authors is done via the edit history, which deletion breaks. See this essay. 109.77.169.184 (talk) 14:38, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:03, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Someone who types "Norwegian serfdom" in the search box may be looking for the material we cover under one of Hordaland's suggested targets, but "serfdom" often relates to the late Dark Ages or early Mediaeval periods, so they're probably looking for material we cover under thrall. I suspect that the right outcome here is quite complex.  We'd want a selective merge as Hordaland suggests, but instead of deleting the title, we'd want to replace it with a disambiguation page listing the possible alternatives.  Maintain the history under the disambiguation page to deal with the attribution issues that 109.77.169.184 describes.— S Marshall  T/C 10:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Dab pages do not exist to present alternatives, only 100% genuine Norwegian serfs. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, thrall. There are two ways of translating the English word 'serfdom' into Norwegian: livegenskap (compare with German Leibeigenschaft) is used about serfdom in non-Nordic countries, while trelldom refers to Viking-age and Medieval serfdom/slavery in Nordic countries. Thus, a redirect to Thrall might not be incorrect. On the other hand, Norway, Sweden etc. had independent jurisdictions etc. regarding thralldom. This demands either separate articles or separate sections of an article. I believe the name of a kept or re-created article should be Serfdom in Norway (not Norwegian serfdom), Thralls in Norway or similar. No More 18 (talk) 10:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.