Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norwich Marketplace


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Non-admin closure, the nomination was withdrawn. B figura (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Norwich Marketplace

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No indications of notability. Prod denied by author. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Question Could you please tell us what WP:BEFORE work you may have done? Specifically, criterion 9, which states: "When nominating due to sourcing or notability concerns, make a good-faith attempt to confirm that such sources don't exist"? thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply A simple google search on the phrase "Norwich Marketplace" shows no signs of any sources for this place name. That, coupled with the author's penchant for creating articles about non-notable places, let me to conclude that this was simply one further such creation.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Really? No sources? My own google search revealed this BBC story, second from the top. I also see other cites that suggest that this was a historically significant area in Norwich. I think your efforts to stop the editor's spamming and (claimed) puppeteering may have coloured your vision a bit on this one. Keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply That source did not show up in my Google search. Perhaps this is a localization thing, where Google in the US produces different results that Google in other parts of the world.  Please remember to assume good faith.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:54, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. But it's hard to see how a Google search from Canada (where I am) could deliver different "local" results for a marketplace UK. You might want to consider withdrawing or revising this nomination, as the rationale is patently flawed. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * (after EC) Comment See
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4949756.stm
 * http://www.pret.com/find_a_pret/shops/norwich_haymarket_NR2_1QD_235.shtm
 * http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/prueandben/new_chapter/1161877920/norwich_marketplace_2.jpg/tpod.html
 * http://www.norwich.gov.uk/intranet_docs/corporate/public/committee/reports/2005/executive/REP_Executive_Liveable_Capital_City_Project_%20Public_Space_Improvements_St_Peters_Street_Gaol_Hill_2005_07_20.pdf
 * http://medievalwriting.50megs.com/word/borough1.htm
 * Granted not exactly celar notability, but a bit more than "no signs of any sources" IMO DES (talk) 17:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply Perhaps I should have said no signs of significant sources, as none of the references thus far provided give any indication of notability. The first is about a shop that happens to be in the marketplace, and the political views of the shopkeeper.  The second is a guide listing for a restaurant that happens to be near the marketplace.  The third (perhaps the most significant, but still not considered a reliable source) is a travel blog.  The fourth is a government document stating that the public space near the market place is to be improved, and the fifth states that there was a market place in medieval times.  I'm glad someone could find sources that I could not, but if these are the best sources available, I can't change my opinion on the merits of the article.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Searching for "Norwich Market" provides some interesting results, including a book cite that this market actually dates back to Norman times. I've added the cite and moved the article to Norwich Market, which is also the name used on its official site. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn due to Shawn in Montreal's diligence. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:34, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Wow. One of the most significant and historic markets in Britain, dating back to at least the 1200s.  My 2 second google serach also brought up the BBC article 2nd from the top.  The quickest I've been able to set up an AfD is 1 minute.  I too question the nom's adherence to WP:BEFORE.--Oakshade (talk) 23:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep after Shawn in Montreal's work. DES (talk) 00:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.