Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nothing's How It Used To Be


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Nothing's How It Used To Be
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Apparently not notable. Charting at 108 is just enough of a claim of notability to avoid an A9 speedy deletion IMO, but even this I couldn't verify, as the top-200 chart, unlike the top-40 chart, is behind a paywall. (I initially thought the artist had a Wikipedia article, but it was a different person of the same name). No Gnews hits. Google hits all appear to be vendor sites, facebook or similar personal page mentions, or otherwise not reliable sources. The article and mentions found on Google say that this single is included in the artist's first album, whih was released only this past December (the single has been out since November 2008). Perhaps the single or the artist will become notable in time, but I now think it isn't yet. DES (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC) DES (talk) 17:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per my own nomination above unless sources are presented that establish the notability of this single, in accord with WP:MUSIC or the WP:GNG. If sources that I failed to find are presented, and they clearly establish notability, i would withdraw this nomination, as notability is the only issue here in my view. DES (talk) 17:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - seems to fail notability. I looked at his website, figuring he'd be sure to add anything notable there, and then tried to find the originals to his quotes - and failed. Also did a Google search. Myspace, etc, but I couldn't find anything more. If anyone does, I might reconsider, but at the moment, no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 17:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, per the above remarks. As WP:NSONG points out, "Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts . . . are probably notable."  As best I can tell, this is one of the cases where a song (apparently) charted yet remains encyclopedically non-notable.  As there's no article for the singer, there's no place to merge.   Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 18:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  —  Gongshow  Talk 18:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, however the charting makes the artist notable, if a page were to be created.  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If charting with a single at slightly over 100th place (currently unsupported by any cite) would make the artist notable, why wouldn't it make the single notable also? or to put it another way, can an artist be notable for having created a non-notable single? WP:MUSIC says that an "A musician or ensemble ... may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria .... 2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." (emphasis added) Well I suppose in such a case the info on the single could be included in the articel about the artist, but still this seems marginal. DES (talk) 00:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - It is completely unclear to me what chart this single was supposedly on. The references provided are rather vague.  And in any case, is peaking at #108 really charting?  His biography doesn't make it any clearer. -- Whpq (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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