Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Notre Dame High School, Harper Woods, Michigan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 10:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Notre Dame High School (Harper Woods, Michigan)
Nonnotable, and now-closed, high school -- WP can't and shouldn't list all the closed 50-yr-old high schools in the USA NawlinWiki 03:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. Brace yourself for the WP:SCH references. Keep due to the controversy Andrew mentioned, but only because of that. Aplomado - UTC 03:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's closed, and it doesn't inherit notability from Dave Coulier. Brian G. Crawford 03:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)  I'm neutral on the issue, after reading what Andrew had to say. Brian G. Crawford 03:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 *  Weak keep Though closed, it looks like there's a charity set up to revive it, with involvement from Bill Cosby, believe it or not. Found a few news stories on the whole mess.  If anything, I'd rate this as more notable than most of the average high-school articles we see.  Update After further research, I found a press release stating that "Friends of Notre Dame Inc", the charity I mentioned above, actually sued the Diocese and alleged that the school was closed down illegally, as well as accusations of other financial shenanigans.  Changing vote to a solid keep, as the school seems to be the center of a major (if local) scandal and uproar.  Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  03:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete See Andrew's comments, but then we would also have other closed schools too. M1ss1ontomars2k4 04:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If they are the centre of a major scandal and uproar, with lawsuits, allegations of illegal close-downs and financial shenanigans, and all that, and involvement of major celebrities to boot, why not? Lambiam Talk 10:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's exactly the problem. Does controversy make something notable? Do lawsuits and celebrities establish notability? Those, I think, are the real questions being discussed here, not whether this article deserves to stay. This will have probably an impact on AfD's to come, so I'm watching this. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 22:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. per nom. (Notorious4life 05:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Keep, due to the controversy. Carioca 05:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete --Ter e nce Ong 09:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep The article alludes to the impact of the closing on the local community. If the impact was more fully explored then it would be encyclopedic. Ans  e  ll  11:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia is not a newspaper so closure does not affect eligibility. CalJW 11:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is accepted on Wikipedia that schools are notable. No one is forced to read the article. Markb 11:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Correction: it is established that high schools and up are notable. M1ss1ontomars2k4 22:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 'High school'? What definition of high school are you using? What about countries that don't use the term? Please remember this is a global encylopaedia. Markb 07:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I dunno, whatever is analagous to a U.S. high school, I guess. Are there countries that speak English but don't call a high school a high school? BTW, does secondary school count as high school? Then secondary schools should be immediately notable too. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep, per above. -- so U  m  y  a  S  ch  11:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * '''Keep per above. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless somebody is actually going to bother to write an article on the subject. (Have those who are voting "keep" even looked at the so-called article?  If that's the kind of education the school was giving, it deserved to be closed.)  &mdash; Haeleth Talk 15:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Give me a day to fix this article up. I'm going to take a shot at it. Aplomado - UTC 16:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If the articles I found would be helpful to you in your efforts, here they are: news page w lawsuit and Cosby info, alumni association, Detroit free press article, Diocese's rebuttal, Save Notre Dame website, currently down, Google has more cached pages tho. Of course, there's more on Google. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I cleaned it up some. Aplomado - UTC 03:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - nonnotable enough for an encyclopedia. --Arny 17:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete It [the context] doesn't appear to be useful enough for an encyclopedia. -- Pil o  t|  guy  18:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep --GTubio 19:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Nom has not tried to make a case for deletion. The school existed and is thus worth keeping here. -- JJay 20:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Something that was notable enough for an encyclopædia when it was standing doesn't lose that notability just cos its no longer there. Jcuk 23:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per above althoiugh cleanup has was. Kotepho 23:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Schools are notable. Buchanan-H  e  rmit™ .. SCREAM!!! ..[[Image:Flag of British Columbia.svg|24px]]..[[Image:Maple Leaf.svg|14px]] 23:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; RJH 03:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if all High Schools are notable, this one is closed. And the drama for closing is no different than hundreds of other school closings.  Simply not notable. Ted 06:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Starblind. --Rob 06:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep -- being "home" for many young people and generations and generations of them make very school notable enough. Luka Jačov 18:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Starblind and Jcuk. BryanG 22:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per all of the above, also appears to comply with WP:SCH. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 04:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clear precedent on high schools and deleting them because the school is closed makes as much sense as deleting biographies because the person is dead. Sjakkalle (Check!)  06:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete nn school. Carlossuarez46 21:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Schools/Arguments. We haven't deleted an article about a factually verifiable secondary school, defunct or otherwise, for going on two years now.  Silensor 16:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.