Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noureddine Ziane


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. JForget 02:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Noureddine Ziane
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This living person doesn't meet the notability requirements for chess players. SunCreator (talk) 05:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Racepacket (talk) 19:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Bubba73 (You talkin' to me?), 01:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: The notability guidelines for chess players say nothing about chess coaches/teachers, and this seems to be a major part of why this article was created. Where are the guidlines concerning someone who teaches chess?  GrandMattster 19:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Playing strength appears to be somewhat short of the IM level where notability becomes borderline. Regarding GrandMattster's question (which is a good question), I don't think there are any set standards for coaches in particular. However, I would consider someone who coached the top players are notable, but such people are usually already notable as strong chess players in their own right. Mark Dvoretsky is perhaps the best example of someone who is notable primarily for coaching. Sjakkalle (Check!)  16:11, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:N fairly easily which is more than enough.  is an article solely about the topic as is  (which I believe is a RS).   discusses the topic, as does .  There are a number of other news hits... Hobit (talk) 04:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.  JBsupreme  ( talk ) 17:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you explain that? The nom claims he doesn't meet WP:Athlete.  Given the above sources, he certainly does seem to meet WP:N.  As WP:ATHLETE specifically defers to WP:N the nomination statement has been shown to be incorrect.  Are you claiming the sources don't meet WP:N, that WP:ATHLETE doesn't defer to WP:N or something else? Hobit (talk) 05:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I agree with the nominator that this doesn't quite surpass WP:N, and do not feel comfortable using maroc-echecs.com as a source for a WP:BLP article, but I am interested in the Dalls Morning News article you mention, unfortunately I cannot read it because I don't have a newsbank subscription.  Would you mind emailing me?   JBsupreme  ( talk ) 18:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't either, but it's plain that the first article is about him as a coach. We can use primary sources as needed to write the article if we find the coverage is enough to meet WP:N.  Also, as the maroc-echecs.com link is an interview, I don't see what BLP issue you are worried about.  It appears to be a RS and isn't disparaging of the subject.  Are you worried about it not being in English or some other issue?  Hobit (talk) 20:12, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The full text of the Dallas Morning News article can be found here(it's the final article on the page). Regards, SunCreator (talk) 01:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. The player is not strong enough to be considered for a wikipedia article based on playing skills.  His coaching accomplishments and activities are respectable but, in the end, probably not strong enough to make the article notable on wikipedia.  GrandMattster 19:52, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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